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Message-ID: <ZRysGAgk6W1bpXdl@google.com>
Date:   Tue, 3 Oct 2023 17:04:40 -0700
From:   Sean Christopherson <seanjc@...gle.com>
To:     David Woodhouse <dwmw2@...radead.org>
Cc:     Dongli Zhang <dongli.zhang@...cle.com>,
        Joe Jin <joe.jin@...cle.com>, x86@...nel.org,
        kvm@...r.kernel.org, linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org,
        pbonzini@...hat.com, tglx@...utronix.de, mingo@...hat.com,
        bp@...en8.de, dave.hansen@...ux.intel.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC 1/1] KVM: x86: add param to update master clock periodically

On Tue, Oct 03, 2023, David Woodhouse wrote:
> On Mon, 2023-10-02 at 17:53 -0700, Sean Christopherson wrote:
> > 
> > The two domains use the same "clock" (constant TSC), but different math to compute
> > nanoseconds from a given TSC value.  For decently large TSC values, this results
> > in CLOCK_MONOTONIC_RAW and kvmclock computing two different times in nanoseconds.
> 
> This is the bit I'm still confused about, and it seems to be the root
> of all the other problems.
> 
> Both CLOCK_MONOTONIC_RAW and kvmclock have *one* job: to convert a
> number of ticks of the TSC running at a constant known frequency, to a
> number of nanoseconds.
> 
> So how in the name of all that is holy do they manage to get
> *different* answers?
> 
> I get that the mult/shift thing carries some imprecision, but is that
> all it is? 

Yep, pretty sure that's it.  It's like the plot from Office Space / Superman III.
Those little rounding errors add up over time.

PV clock:

  nanoseconds = ((TSC >> shift) * mult) >> 32

or 

  nanoseconds = ((TSC << shift) * mult) >> 32

versus timekeeping (mostly)

  nanoseconds = (TSC * mult) >> shift

The more I look at the PV clock stuff, the more I agree with Peter: it's garbage.
Shifting before multiplying is guaranteed to introduce error.  Shifting right drops
data, and shifting left introduces zeros.

> Can't we ensure that the kvmclock uses the *same* algorithm,
> precisely, as CLOCK_MONOTONIC_RAW?

Yes?  At least for sane hardware, after much staring, I think it's possible.

It's tricky because the two algorithms are wierdly different, the PV clock algorithm
is ABI and thus immutable, and Thomas and the timekeeping folks would rightly laugh
at us for suggesting that we try to shove the pvclock algorithm into the kernel.

The hardcoded shift right 32 in PV clock is annoying, but not the end of the world.

Compile tested only, but I believe this math is correct.  And I'm guessing we'd
want some safeguards against overflow, e.g. due to a multiplier that is too big.

diff --git a/arch/x86/kvm/x86.c b/arch/x86/kvm/x86.c
index 6573c89c35a9..ae9275c3d580 100644
--- a/arch/x86/kvm/x86.c
+++ b/arch/x86/kvm/x86.c
@@ -3212,9 +3212,19 @@ static int kvm_guest_time_update(struct kvm_vcpu *v)
                                            v->arch.l1_tsc_scaling_ratio);
 
        if (unlikely(vcpu->hw_tsc_khz != tgt_tsc_khz)) {
-               kvm_get_time_scale(NSEC_PER_SEC, tgt_tsc_khz * 1000LL,
-                                  &vcpu->hv_clock.tsc_shift,
-                                  &vcpu->hv_clock.tsc_to_system_mul);
+               u32 shift, mult;
+
+               clocks_calc_mult_shift(&mult, &shift, tgt_tsc_khz, NSEC_PER_MSEC, 600);
+
+               if (shift <= 32) {
+                       vcpu->hv_clock.tsc_shift = 0;
+                       vcpu->hv_clock.tsc_to_system_mul = mult * BIT(32 - shift);
+               } else {
+                       kvm_get_time_scale(NSEC_PER_SEC, tgt_tsc_khz * 1000LL,
+                                          &vcpu->hv_clock.tsc_shift,
+                                          &vcpu->hv_clock.tsc_to_system_mul);
+               }
+
                vcpu->hw_tsc_khz = tgt_tsc_khz;
                kvm_xen_update_tsc_info(v);
        }

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