linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH] x86: KVM: Add feature flag for AMD's FsGsKernelGsBaseNonSerializing

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Date:   Thu, 5 Oct 2023 18:51:58 +0200
From:   Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@...hat.com>
To:     Jim Mattson <jmattson@...gle.com>,
        Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@...el.com>
Cc:     Borislav Petkov <bp@...en8.de>, kvm@...r.kernel.org,
        linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org,
        Pawan Gupta <pawan.kumar.gupta@...ux.intel.com>,
        Jiaxi Chen <jiaxi.chen@...ux.intel.com>,
        Kim Phillips <kim.phillips@....com>,
        Sean Christopherson <seanjc@...gle.com>,
        "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@...or.com>, x86@...nel.org,
        Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@...ux.intel.com>,
        Ingo Molnar <mingo@...hat.com>,
        Thomas Gleixner <tglx@...utronix.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] x86: KVM: Add feature flag for AMD's
 FsGsKernelGsBaseNonSerializing

On 10/5/23 18:41, Jim Mattson wrote:
>> I hope I'm not throwing stones from a glass house here...
>>
>> But I'm struggling to think of cases where Intel has read-only
>> "defeature bits" like this one.  There are certainly things like
>> MSR_IA32_MISC_ENABLE_FAST_STRING that can be toggled, but read-only
>> indicators of a departure from established architecture seems ...
>> suboptimal.
>>
>> It's arguable that TDX changed a bunch of architecture like causing
>> exceptions on CPUID and MSRs that never caused exceptions before and
>> _that_  constitutes a defeature.  But that's the least of the problems
>> for a TDX VM. 😄
>>
>> (Seriously, I'm not trying to shame Intel's x86 fellow travelers here,
>>   just trying to make sure I'm not missing something).
> Intel's defeature bits that I know of are:
> 
> CPUID.(EAX=7,ECX=0):EBX[bit 13] (Haswell) - "Deprecates FPU CS and FPU
> DS values if 1."
> CPUID.(EAX=7,ECX=0):EBX[bit 6] (Skylake) - "FDP_EXCPTN_ONLY. x87 FPU
> Data Pointer updated only on x87 exceptions if 1."

And for AMD, to get the full landscape:

- CPUID(EAX=8000_0021h).EAX[0], "Processor ignores nested data breakpoints"

- CPUID(EAX=8000_0021h).EAX[9], "SMM_CTL MSR is not present" (the MSR 
used to be always present if SVM is available)

AMD had a few processors without X86_BUG_NULL_SEG that do not expose 
X86_FEATURE_NULL_SEL_CLR_BASE, but that's conservative so not a big deal.

Paolo