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Date:   Thu, 12 Oct 2023 17:26:36 +0200
From:   Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@...aro.org>
To:     Chen Yu <yu.c.chen@...el.com>
Cc:     Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@...icios.com>,
        Peter Zijlstra <peterz@...radead.org>,
        linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, Ingo Molnar <mingo@...hat.com>,
        Valentin Schneider <vschneid@...hat.com>,
        Steven Rostedt <rostedt@...dmis.org>,
        Ben Segall <bsegall@...gle.com>, Mel Gorman <mgorman@...e.de>,
        Daniel Bristot de Oliveira <bristot@...hat.com>,
        Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@...hat.com>,
        Swapnil Sapkal <Swapnil.Sapkal@....com>,
        Aaron Lu <aaron.lu@...el.com>, Tim Chen <tim.c.chen@...el.com>,
        K Prateek Nayak <kprateek.nayak@....com>,
        "Gautham R . Shenoy" <gautham.shenoy@....com>, x86@...nel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH] sched/fair: Bias runqueue selection towards almost
 idle prev CPU

On Wed, 11 Oct 2023 at 12:17, Chen Yu <yu.c.chen@...el.com> wrote:
>
> On 2023-10-10 at 09:49:54 -0400, Mathieu Desnoyers wrote:
> > On 2023-10-09 01:14, Chen Yu wrote:
> > > On 2023-09-30 at 07:45:38 -0400, Mathieu Desnoyers wrote:
> > > > On 9/30/23 03:11, Chen Yu wrote:
> > > > > Hi Mathieu,
> > > > >
> > > > > On 2023-09-29 at 14:33:50 -0400, Mathieu Desnoyers wrote:
> > > > > > Introduce the WAKEUP_BIAS_PREV_IDLE scheduler feature. It biases
> > > > > > select_task_rq towards the previous CPU if it was almost idle
> > > > > > (avg_load <= 0.1%).
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes, this is a promising direction IMO. One question is that,
> > > > > can cfs_rq->avg.load_avg be used for percentage comparison?
> > > > > If I understand correctly, load_avg reflects that more than
> > > > > 1 tasks could have been running this runqueue, and the
> > > > > load_avg is the direct proportion to the load_weight of that
> > > > > cfs_rq. Besides, LOAD_AVG_MAX seems to not be the max value
> > > > > that load_avg can reach, it is the sum of
> > > > > 1024 * (y + y^1 + y^2 ... )
> > > > >
> > > > > For example,
> > > > > taskset -c 1 nice -n -20 stress -c 1
> > > > > cat /sys/kernel/debug/sched/debug | grep 'cfs_rq\[1\]' -A 12 | grep "\.load_avg"
> > > > >     .load_avg                      : 88763
> > > > >     .load_avg                      : 1024
> > > > >
> > > > > 88763 is higher than LOAD_AVG_MAX=47742
> > > >
> > > > I would have expected the load_avg to be limited to LOAD_AVG_MAX somehow,
> > > > but it appears that it does not happen in practice.
> > > >
> > > > That being said, if the cutoff is really at 0.1% or 0.2% of the real max,
> > > > does it really matter ?
> > > >
> > > > > Maybe the util_avg can be used for precentage comparison I suppose?
> > > > [...]
> > > > > Or
> > > > > return cpu_util_without(cpu_rq(cpu), p) * 1000 <= capacity_orig_of(cpu) ?
> > > >
> > > > Unfortunately using util_avg does not seem to work based on my testing.
> > > > Even at utilization thresholds at 0.1%, 1% and 10%.
> > > >
> > > > Based on comments in fair.c:
> > > >
> > > >   * CPU utilization is the sum of running time of runnable tasks plus the
> > > >   * recent utilization of currently non-runnable tasks on that CPU.
> > > >
> > > > I think we don't want to include currently non-runnable tasks in the
> > > > statistics we use, because we are trying to figure out if the cpu is a
> > > > idle-enough target based on the tasks which are currently running, for the
> > > > purpose of runqueue selection when waking up a task which is considered at
> > > > that point in time a non-runnable task on that cpu, and which is about to
> > > > become runnable again.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Although LOAD_AVG_MAX is not the max possible load_avg, we still want to find
> > > a proper threshold to decide if the CPU is almost idle. The LOAD_AVG_MAX
> > > based threshold is modified a little bit:
> > >
> > > The theory is, if there is only 1 task on the CPU, and that task has a nice
> > > of 0, the task runs 50 us every 1000 us, then this CPU is regarded as almost
> > > idle.
> > >
> > > The load_sum of the task is:
> > > 50 * (1 + y + y^2 + ... + y^n)
> > > The corresponding avg_load of the task is approximately
> > > NICE_0_WEIGHT * load_sum / LOAD_AVG_MAX = 50.
> > > So:
> > >
> > > /* which is close to LOAD_AVG_MAX/1000 = 47 */
> > > #define ALMOST_IDLE_CPU_LOAD   50
> >
> > Sorry to be slow at understanding this concept, but this whole "load" value
> > is still somewhat magic to me.
> >
> > Should it vary based on CONFIG_HZ_{100,250,300,1000}, or is it independent ?
> > Where is it documented that the load is a value in "us" out of a window of
> > 1000 us ?
> >
>
> My understanding is that, the load_sum of a single task is a value in "us" out
> of a window of 1000 us, while the load_avg of the task will multiply the weight

I'm not sure we can say this. We use a 1024us sampling rate for
calculating weighted average but load_sum is in the range [0:47742]
so what does it mean 47742us out of a window of 1000us ?

Beside this we have util_avg in the range [0:cpu capacity] which gives
you the average running time of the cpu

> of the task. In this case a task with nice 0 is NICE_0_WEIGHT = 1024.
>
> __update_load_avg_se -> ___update_load_sum calculate the load_sum of a task(there
> is comments around ___update_load_sum to describe the pelt calculation),
> and ___update_load_avg() calculate the load_avg based on the task's weight.
>
> > And with this value "50", it would cover the case where there is only a
> > single task taking less than 50us per 1000us, and cases where the sum for
> > the set of tasks on the runqueue is taking less than 50us per 1000us
> > overall.
> >
> > >
> > > static bool
> > > almost_idle_cpu(int cpu, struct task_struct *p)
> > > {
> > >         if (!sched_feat(WAKEUP_BIAS_PREV_IDLE))
> > >                 return false;
> > >         return cpu_load_without(cpu_rq(cpu), p) <= ALMOST_IDLE_CPU_LOAD;
> > > }
> > >
> > > Tested this on Intel Xeon Platinum 8360Y, Ice Lake server, 36 core/package,
> > > total 72 core/144 CPUs. Slight improvement is observed in hackbench socket mode:
> > >
> > > socket mode:
> > > hackbench -g 16 -f 20 -l 480000 -s 100
> > >
> > > Before patch:
> > > Running in process mode with 16 groups using 40 file descriptors each (== 640 tasks)
> > > Each sender will pass 480000 messages of 100 bytes
> > > Time: 81.084
> > >
> > > After patch:
> > > Running in process mode with 16 groups using 40 file descriptors each (== 640 tasks)
> > > Each sender will pass 480000 messages of 100 bytes
> > > Time: 78.083
> > >
> > >
> > > pipe mode:
> > > hackbench -g 16 -f 20 --pipe  -l 480000 -s 100
> > >
> > > Before patch:
> > > Running in process mode with 16 groups using 40 file descriptors each (== 640 tasks)
> > > Each sender will pass 480000 messages of 100 bytes
> > > Time: 38.219
> > >
> > > After patch:
> > > Running in process mode with 16 groups using 40 file descriptors each (== 640 tasks)
> > > Each sender will pass 480000 messages of 100 bytes
> > > Time: 38.348
> > >
> > > It suggests that, if the workload has larger working-set/cache footprint, waking up
> > > the task on its previous CPU could get more benefit.
> >
> > In those tests, what is the average % of idleness of your cpus ?
> >
>
> For hackbench -g 16 -f 20 --pipe  -l 480000 -s 100, it is around 8~10% idle
> For hackbench -g 16 -f 20   -l 480000 -s 100, it is around 2~3% idle
>
> Then the CPUs in packge 1 are offlined to get stable result when the group number is low.
> hackbench -g 1 -f 20 --pipe  -l 480000 -s 100
> Some CPUs are busy, others are idle, and some are half-busy.
> Core    CPU     Busy%
> -       -       49.57
> 0       0       1.89
> 0       72      75.55
> 1       1       100.00
> 1       73      0.00
> 2       2       100.00
> 2       74      0.00
> 3       3       100.00
> 3       75      0.01
> 4       4       78.29
> 4       76      17.72
> 5       5       100.00
> 5       77      0.00
>
>
> hackbench -g 1 -f 20  -l 480000 -s 100
> Core    CPU     Busy%
> -       -       48.29
> 0       0       57.94
> 0       72      21.41
> 1       1       83.28
> 1       73      0.00
> 2       2       11.44
> 2       74      83.38
> 3       3       21.45
> 3       75      77.27
> 4       4       26.89
> 4       76      80.95
> 5       5       5.01
> 5       77      83.09
>
>
> echo NO_WAKEUP_BIAS_PREV_IDLE > /sys/kernel/debug/sched/features
> hackbench -g 1 -f 20 --pipe  -l 480000 -s 100
> Running in process mode with 1 groups using 40 file descriptors each (== 40 tasks)
> Each sender will pass 480000 messages of 100 bytes
> Time: 9.434
>
> echo WAKEUP_BIAS_PREV_IDLE > /sys/kernel/debug/sched/features
> hackbench -g 1 -f 20 --pipe  -l 480000 -s 100
> Running in process mode with 1 groups using 40 file descriptors each (== 40 tasks)
> Each sender will pass 480000 messages of 100 bytes
> Time: 9.373
>
> thanks,
> Chenyu

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