linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH RFC 2/9] timekeeping: new interfaces for multigrain timestamp handing

lists.openwall.net		lists / announce owl-users owl-dev john-users john-dev passwdqc-users yescrypt popa3d-users / oss-security kernel-hardening musl sabotage tlsify passwords / crypt-dev xvendor / Bugtraq Full-Disclosure linux-kernel linux-netdev linux-ext4 linux-hardening linux-cve-announce PHC
Open Source and information security mailing list archives

Hash Suite: Windows password security audit tool. GUI, reports in PDF.

[<prev] [next>] [<thread-prev] [thread-next>] [day] [month] [year] [list]

Message-ID: <5f96e69d438ab96099bb67d16b77583c99911caa.camel@kernel.org>
Date:   Wed, 18 Oct 2023 17:52:43 -0400
From:   Jeff Layton <jlayton@...nel.org>
To:     Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>
Cc:     Alexander Viro <viro@...iv.linux.org.uk>,
        Christian Brauner <brauner@...nel.org>,
        John Stultz <jstultz@...gle.com>,
        Thomas Gleixner <tglx@...utronix.de>,
        Stephen Boyd <sboyd@...nel.org>,
        Chandan Babu R <chandan.babu@...cle.com>,
        "Darrick J. Wong" <djwong@...nel.org>,
        Dave Chinner <david@...morbit.com>,
        Theodore Ts'o <tytso@....edu>,
        Andreas Dilger <adilger.kernel@...ger.ca>,
        Chris Mason <clm@...com>, Josef Bacik <josef@...icpanda.com>,
        David Sterba <dsterba@...e.com>,
        Hugh Dickins <hughd@...gle.com>,
        Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
        Amir Goldstein <amir73il@...il.com>, Jan Kara <jack@...e.de>,
        David Howells <dhowells@...hat.com>,
        linux-fsdevel@...r.kernel.org, linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org,
        linux-xfs@...r.kernel.org, linux-ext4@...r.kernel.org,
        linux-btrfs@...r.kernel.org, linux-mm@...ck.org,
        linux-nfs@...r.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC 2/9] timekeeping: new interfaces for multigrain
 timestamp handing

On Wed, 2023-10-18 at 14:31 -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> On Wed, 18 Oct 2023 at 13:47, Jeff Layton <jlayton@...nel.org> wrote:
> > 
> > >         old_ctime_nsec &= ~I_CTIME_QUERIED;
> > >         if (ts64.tv_nsec > old_ctime_nsec + inode->i_sb->s_time_gran)
> > >                 return ts64;
> > > 
> > 
> > Does that really do what you expect here? current_time will return a
> > value that has already been through timestamp_truncate.
> 
> Yeah, you're right.
> 
> I think you can actually remove the s_time_gran addition. Both the
> old_ctime_nsec and the current ts64,tv_nsec are already rounded, so
> just doing
> 
>         if (ts64.tv_nsec > old_ctime_nsec)
>                 return ts64;
> 
> would already guarantee that it's different enough.
> 

Yep, and that's basically what inode_set_ctime_current does (though it
does a timespec64 comparison).

> > current_mgtime is calling ktime_get_real_ts64, which is an existing
> > interface that does not take the global spinlock and won't advance the
> > global offset. That call should be quite cheap.
> 
> Ahh, I did indeed mis-read that as the new one with the lock.
> 
> I did react to the fact that is_mgtime(inode) itself is horribly
> expensive if it's not cached (following three quite possibly cold
> pointers), which was part of that whole "look at I_CTIME_QUERIED
> instead".
>
> I see the pointer chasing as a huge VFS timesink in all my profiles,
> although usually it's the disgusting security pointer (because selinux
> creates separate security nodes for each inode, even when the contents
> are often identical). So I'm a bit sensitive to "follow several
> pointers from 'struct inode'" patterns from looking at too many
> instruction profiles.

That's a very good point. I'll see if I can get rid of that (and maybe
some other mgtime flag checks) before I send the next version. 

Back to your earlier point though:

Is a global offset really a non-starter? I can see about doing something
per-superblock, but ktime_get_mg_coarse_ts64 should be roughly as cheap
as ktime_get_coarse_ts64. I don't see the downside there for the non-
multigrain filesystems to call that.

On another note: maybe I need to put this behind a Kconfig option
initially too?
-- 
Jeff Layton <jlayton@...nel.org>