linux-kernel - RE: [PATCH v2 1/6] x86/bugs: Add asm helpers for executing VERW

lists.openwall.net		lists / announce owl-users owl-dev john-users john-dev passwdqc-users yescrypt popa3d-users / oss-security kernel-hardening musl sabotage tlsify passwords / crypt-dev xvendor / Bugtraq Full-Disclosure linux-kernel linux-netdev linux-ext4 linux-hardening linux-cve-announce PHC
Open Source and information security mailing list archives

Hash Suite: Windows password security audit tool. GUI, reports in PDF.

[<prev] [next>] [<thread-prev] [thread-next>] [day] [month] [year] [list]

Message-ID: <49A97ACF-24A3-452C-88A5-0D55F77B7780@zytor.com>
Date:   Tue, 24 Oct 2023 13:30:04 -0700
From:   "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@...or.com>
To:     "Luck, Tony" <tony.luck@...el.com>,
        Peter Zijlstra <peterz@...radead.org>,
        Pawan Gupta <pawan.kumar.gupta@...ux.intel.com>
CC:     Thomas Gleixner <tglx@...utronix.de>,
        Ingo Molnar <mingo@...hat.com>, Borislav Petkov <bp@...en8.de>,
        Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@...ux.intel.com>,
        "x86@...nel.org" <x86@...nel.org>,
        Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@...nel.org>,
        "Lutomirski, Andy" <luto@...nel.org>,
        Jonathan Corbet <corbet@....net>,
        "Christopherson,, Sean" <seanjc@...gle.com>,
        Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@...hat.com>,
        "ak@...ux.intel.com" <ak@...ux.intel.com>,
        "tim.c.chen@...ux.intel.com" <tim.c.chen@...ux.intel.com>,
        "linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
        "linux-doc@...r.kernel.org" <linux-doc@...r.kernel.org>,
        "kvm@...r.kernel.org" <kvm@...r.kernel.org>,
        Alyssa Milburn <alyssa.milburn@...ux.intel.com>,
        Daniel Sneddon <daniel.sneddon@...ux.intel.com>,
        "antonio.gomez.iglesias@...ux.intel.com" 
        <antonio.gomez.iglesias@...ux.intel.com>,
        "Milburn, Alyssa" <alyssa.milburn@...el.com>
Subject: RE: [PATCH  v2 1/6] x86/bugs: Add asm helpers for executing VERW

On October 24, 2023 12:40:02 PM PDT, "Luck, Tony" <tony.luck@...el.com> wrote:
>> Sure it could, but it would mean the kernel is sitting on an average of 6 MB of unusable memory. It would also mean that unloaded modules would create holes in that memory which would have to be managed.
>
>On my Fedora38 desktop:
>
>$ lsmod | awk '{ bytes += $2 } END {print bytes/(1024*1024)}'
>21.0859
>
>Lots more than 6MB memory already essentially pinned by loaded modules.
>
>$ head -3 /proc/meminfo
>MemTotal:       65507344 kB
>MemFree:        56762336 kB
>MemAvailable:   63358552 kB
>
>Pinning 20 or so Mbytes isn't going to make a dent in that free memory.
>
>Managing the holes for unloading/reloading modules adds some complexity ... but shouldn't be awful.
>
>If this code managed at finer granularity than "page", it would save some memory.
>
>$ lsmod | wc -l
>123
>
>All those modules rounding text/data up to 4K boundaries is wasting a bunch of it.
>
>-Tony
>
>
>

Sure, but is it worth the effort?