linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH v6 18/20] sched: Handle blocked-waiter migration (and return migration)

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Date:   Wed, 8 Nov 2023 22:08:05 -0800
From:   John Stultz <jstultz@...gle.com>
To:     Xuewen Yan <xuewen.yan94@...il.com>
Cc:     LKML <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
        Joel Fernandes <joelaf@...gle.com>,
        Qais Yousef <qyousef@...gle.com>,
        Ingo Molnar <mingo@...hat.com>,
        Peter Zijlstra <peterz@...radead.org>,
        Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@...hat.com>,
        Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@...aro.org>,
        Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@....com>,
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        Daniel Bristot de Oliveira <bristot@...hat.com>,
        Will Deacon <will@...nel.org>,
        Waiman Long <longman@...hat.com>,
        Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@...il.com>,
        "Paul E . McKenney" <paulmck@...nel.org>, kernel-team@...roid.com,
        Qais Yousef <qyousef@...alina.io>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v6 18/20] sched: Handle blocked-waiter migration (and
 return migration)

On Wed, Nov 8, 2023 at 9:32 PM Xuewen Yan <xuewen.yan94@...il.com> wrote:
> I understand what you mean here. But I have some other worries:
> considering the scenario of Big-Little cpu topology, when EAS is in
> effect.
> If the owner is a "small task", and the owner is on a small core, and
> the blocked task is a "big task", the block task will be directly
> migrated to the small core,
> and because the task is on rq, when wake up, it would skip the
> “select_task_rq” and put it directly on the small core.
> As a result, the big task's performance may decrease.
> The same reason, a small task may be placed on the big core, and there
> may be a regression in power consumption.
>
...
> > +static inline bool proxy_return_migration(struct rq *rq, struct rq_flags *rf,
> > +                                         struct task_struct *next)
> > +{
> > +       if (!sched_proxy_exec())
> > +               return false;
> > +
> > +       if (next->blocked_on && next->blocked_on_waking) {
> > +               if (!is_cpu_allowed(next, cpu_of(rq))) {
>
>
> Based on the above reasons, could this be changed to the following?
>                 /* When EAS enabled, we hope the task selects the cpu again */
>                  if (sched_energy_enabled() || !is_cpu_allowed(next,
> cpu_of(rq)) )

Hey! Thanks so much for the feedback and review!

That is a good point, this would cause a misplacement on the lock
handoff.  Though I fret having to run through the return migration
lock juggling here for every blocked_on wakeup would further hurt
performance as well.

I'm currently trying to see if I can extend the blocked_on_waking flag
to keep more state (BLOCKED, WAKING, RUNNABLE) so that we can move the
return migration back to the the try_to_wake_up() call path, while
avoiding the task from becoming suddenly runnable on wakeup while on
the wrong runqueue.  This would avoid the lock juggling as we'd
already have the pi_lock. Though I'm a little hesitant as doing the
deactivate()/select_task_rq()/activate() steps from ttwu might muddle
up the careful logic around the on_rq/ttwu_runnable checks (definitely
had issues in that area with earlier versions of the patch).

> In addition, I also thought that since the block task is no longer
> dequeued, this will definitely cause the load on the CPU to increase.
> Perhaps we need to evaluate the impact of this on power consumption.
>

Yeah. I've got that still as a todo in the cover letter:
* CFS load balancing. Blocked tasks may carry forward load (PELT)
  to the lock owner's CPU, so CPU may look like it is overloaded.

If you have any thoughts there for a preferred approach, I'd be happy to hear.

thanks
-john