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Date:   Tue, 21 Nov 2023 18:37:41 +0000
From:   "Chiu, Chasel" <chasel.chiu@...el.com>
To:     Ard Biesheuvel <ardb@...nel.org>, Simon Glass <sjg@...omium.org>
CC:     "devicetree@...r.kernel.org" <devicetree@...r.kernel.org>,
        Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@....com>,
        Rob Herring <robh@...nel.org>,
        "Tan, Lean Sheng" <sheng.tan@...ements.com>,
        lkml <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
        Dhaval Sharma <dhaval@...osinc.com>,
        "Brune, Maximilian" <maximilian.brune@...ements.com>,
        Yunhui Cui <cuiyunhui@...edance.com>,
        "Dong, Guo" <guo.dong@...el.com>, "Tom Rini" <trini@...sulko.com>,
        ron minnich <rminnich@...il.com>,
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        "Chiu, Chasel" <chasel.chiu@...el.com>
Subject: RE: [PATCH v7 2/2] schemas: Add some common reserved-memory usages


In PR, UefiPayloadPkg/Library/FdtParserLib/FdtParserLib.c, line 268 is for related example code.

Thanks,
Chasel


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chiu, Chasel
> Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2023 10:34 AM
> To: Ard Biesheuvel <ardb@...nel.org>; Simon Glass <sjg@...omium.org>
> Cc: devicetree@...r.kernel.org; Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@....com>; Rob
> Herring <robh@...nel.org>; Tan, Lean Sheng <sheng.tan@...ements.com>; lkml
> <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>; Dhaval Sharma <dhaval@...osinc.com>; Brune,
> Maximilian <maximilian.brune@...ements.com>; Yunhui Cui
> <cuiyunhui@...edance.com>; Dong, Guo <guo.dong@...el.com>; Tom Rini
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> Subject: RE: [PATCH v7 2/2] schemas: Add some common reserved-memory
> usages
> 
> 
> Hi Ard,
> 
> Here is the POC PR for your reference:
> https://github.com/tianocore/edk2/pull/4969/files#diff-
> ccebabae5274b21634723a2111ee0de11bed6cfe8cb206ef9e263d9c5f926a9cR26
> 8
> Please note that this PR is still in early phase and expected to have significant
> changes.
> 
> The idea is that payload entry will create gEfiMemoryTypeInformationGuid HOB
> with payload default memory types and allow FDT to override if correspond node
> present.
> Please let me know if you have questions or suggestions.
> 
> Thanks,
> Chasel
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Ard Biesheuvel <ardb@...nel.org>
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2023 8:42 AM
> > To: Simon Glass <sjg@...omium.org>
> > Cc: Chiu, Chasel <chasel.chiu@...el.com>; devicetree@...r.kernel.org;
> > Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@....com>; Rob Herring <robh@...nel.org>;
> > Tan, Lean Sheng <sheng.tan@...ements.com>; lkml
> > <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>; Dhaval Sharma <dhaval@...osinc.com>;
> > Brune, Maximilian <maximilian.brune@...ements.com>; Yunhui Cui
> > <cuiyunhui@...edance.com>; Dong, Guo <guo.dong@...el.com>; Tom Rini
> > <trini@...sulko.com>; ron minnich <rminnich@...il.com>; Guo, Gua
> > <gua.guo@...el.com>; linux- acpi@...r.kernel.org; U-Boot Mailing List
> > <u-boot@...ts.denx.de>
> > Subject: Re: [PATCH v7 2/2] schemas: Add some common reserved-memory
> > usages
> >
> > On Mon, 20 Nov 2023 at 21:12, Simon Glass <sjg@...omium.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > On Mon, 13 Nov 2023 at 11:09, Chiu, Chasel <chasel.chiu@...el.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hi Ard,
> > > >
> > > > Please see my reply below inline.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Chasel
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Ard Biesheuvel <ardb@...nel.org>
> > > > > Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2023 3:04 AM
> > > > > To: Chiu, Chasel <chasel.chiu@...el.com>
> > > > > Cc: Simon Glass <sjg@...omium.org>; devicetree@...r.kernel.org;
> > > > > Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@....com>; Rob Herring
> > > > > <robh@...nel.org>; Tan, Lean Sheng <sheng.tan@...ements.com>;
> > > > > lkml <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>; Dhaval Sharma
> > > > > <dhaval@...osinc.com>; Brune, Maximilian
> > > > > <maximilian.brune@...ements.com>; Yunhui Cui
> > > > > <cuiyunhui@...edance.com>; Dong, Guo <guo.dong@...el.com>; Tom
> > > > > Rini <trini@...sulko.com>; ron minnich <rminnich@...il.com>;
> > > > > Guo, Gua <gua.guo@...el.com>; linux- acpi@...r.kernel.org;
> > > > > U-Boot Mailing List <u-boot@...ts.denx.de>
> > > > > Subject: Re: [PATCH v7 2/2] schemas: Add some common
> > > > > reserved-memory usages
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sat, 11 Nov 2023 at 04:20, Chiu, Chasel <chasel.chiu@...el.com>
> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Just sharing some usage examples from UEFI/EDK2 scenario.
> > > > > > To support ACPI S4/Hibernation, memory map must be consistent
> > > > > > before entering and after resuming from S4, in this case
> > > > > > payload may need to know previous memory map from bootloader
> > > > > > (currently generic payload cannot access platform/bootloader
> > > > > > specific non-volatile data, thus could not save/restore memory
> > > > > > map
> > > > > > information)
> > > > >
> > > > > So how would EDK2 reconstruct the entire EFI memory map from
> > > > > just these unannotated /reserved-memory nodes? The EFI memory
> > > > > map contains much more information than that, and all of it has
> > > > > to match the pre-hibernate situation, right? Can you given an example?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Here we listed only typically memory types that may change cross
> > > > different
> > platforms.
> > > > Reserved memory type already can be handled by reserved-memory
> > > > node,
> > and rest of the types usually no need to change cross platforms thus
> > currently we could rely on default in generic payload.
> > > > In the future if we see a need to add new memory types we will
> > > > discuss and
> > add it to FDT schema.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Another usage is to support binary model which generic payload
> > > > > > is a prebuilt
> > > > > binary compatible for all platforms/configurations, however the
> > > > > payload default memory map might not always work for all the
> > > > > configurations and we want to allow bootloader to override
> > > > > payload default
> > memory map without recompiling.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Agreed. But can you explain how a EDK2 payload might make
> > > > > meaningful use of 'runtime-code' regions provided via DT  by the
> > > > > non-EDK2 platform init? Can you give an example?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Runtime-code/data is used by UEFI payload for booting UEFI OS
> > > > which
> > required UEFI runtime services.
> > > > Platform Init will select some regions from the usable memory and
> > > > assign it to
> > runtime-code/data for UPL to consume. Or assign same runtime-code/data
> > from previous boot.
> > > > If UEFI OS is not supported, PlatformInit may not need to provide
> > > > runtime-code/data regions to payload. (always providing
> > > > runtime-code/data should be supported too)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Under below assumption:
> > > > > >         FDT OS impact has been evaluated and taken care by
> > > > > > relevant
> > > > > experts/stakeholders.
> > > > > > Reviewed-by: Chasel Chiu <chasel.chiu@...el.com>
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I am sorry but I don't know what 'FDT OS impact' means. We are
> > > > > talking about a firmware-to-firmware abstraction that has the
> > > > > potential to leak into the OS visible interface.
> > > > >
> > > > > I am a maintainer in the Tianocore project myself, so it would
> > > > > help if you could explain who these relevant experts and
> > > > > stakeholders are. Was this discussed on the edk2-devel mailing
> > > > > list? If so, apologies for missing it but I may not have been cc'ed perhaps?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I'm not familiar with FDT OS, also I do not know if who from
> > > > edk2-devel were
> > supporting FDT OS, I think Simon might be able to connect FDT OS
> > experts/stakeholders.
> > > > We are mostly focusing on payload firmware phase implementation in
> > > > edk2 (and other payloads too), however, since we have aligned the
> > > > payload FDT and OS FDT months ago, I'm assuming FDT OS impact must
> > > > be there and we need (or already done?) FDT OS experts to support
> > > > it. (again, maybe Simon could share more information about FDT OS)
> > > >
> > > > In edk2 such FDT schema is UefiPayloadPkg internal usage only and
> > > > payload
> > entry will convert FDT into HOB thus we expected the most of the edk2
> > generic code are no-touch/no impact, that's why we only had small
> > group
> > (UefiPayloadPkg) discussion.
> > > > Ard, if you are aware of any edk2 code that's for supporting FDT
> > > > OS, please let
> > us know and we can discuss if those code were impacted or not.
> > >
> > > We discussed this and just to clarify, 'FDT OS' is not a special OS,
> > > it is just Linux.
> > >
> > > So, with the above, are we all on the same page? Can the patch be
> > > applied, perhaps? If not, what other discussion is needed?
> > >
> >
> > An example of how a platform-init/payload combination would make
> > meaningful use of such runtime-code/data regions.

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