Date:   Tue, 21 Nov 2023 09:08:26 +0100
From:   Geert Uytterhoeven <geert@...ux-m68k.org>
To:     Krzysztof Kozlowski <krzysztof.kozlowski@...aro.org>
Cc:     Michal Simek <michal.simek@....com>,
        Rob Herring <robh+dt@...nel.org>,
        Krzysztof Kozlowski <krzysztof.kozlowski+dt@...aro.org>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] docs: dt-bindings: add DTS Coding Style document

Hi Krzysztof,

On Tue, Nov 21, 2023 at 8:47 AM Krzysztof Kozlowski
<krzysztof.kozlowski@...aro.org> wrote:
> On 21/11/2023 08:33, Michal Simek wrote:
> > On 11/20/23 20:31, Krzysztof Kozlowski wrote:
> >> On 20/11/2023 20:18, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote:
> >>> On Mon, Nov 20, 2023 at 3:53 PM Krzysztof Kozlowski
> >>> <krzysztof.kozlowski@...aro.org> wrote:
> >>>> On 20/11/2023 15:01, Michal Simek wrote:> >
> >>>>> On 11/20/23 09:40, Krzysztof Kozlowski wrote:
> >>>>>> Document preferred coding style for Devicetree sources (DTS and DTSI),
> >>>>>> to bring consistency among all (sub)architectures and ease in reviews.
> >>>
> >>>>>> +Organizing DTSI and DTS
> >>>>>> +-----------------------
> >>>>>> +
> >>>>>> +The DTSI and DTS files should be organized in a way representing the common
> >>>>>> +(and re-usable) parts of the hardware.  Typically this means organizing DTSI
> >>>>>> +and DTS files into several files:
> >>>>>> +
> >>>>>> +1. DTSI with contents of the entire SoC (without nodes for hardware not present
> >>>>>> +   on the SoC).
> >>>>>> +2. If applicable: DTSI with common or re-usable parts of the hardware (e.g.
> >>>>>> +   entire System-on-Module).
> >>>>>
> >>>>> DTS/DTSI - SOMs can actually run as they are that's why it is fair to say that
> >>>>> there doesn't need to be DTS representing the board.
> >>>>
> >>>> I have never seen a SoM which can run without elaborate hardware-hacking
> >>>> (e.g. connecting multiple wires to the SoM pins). The definition of the
> >>>> SoM is that it is a module. Module can be re-used, just like SoC.
> >>>
> >>> /me looks at his board farm...

> >>> I guess there are (many) other examples...
> >>
> >> OK, I never had such in my hands. Anyway, the SoM which can run
> >> standalone  has a meaning of a board, so how exactly you want to
> >> rephrase the paragraph?
> >
> > What about?
> >
> > 2. If applicable: DTSI with common or re-usable parts of the hardware (e.g.
> > entire System-on-Module). DTS if runs standalone.
>
> OK, but then it's duplicating the option 3. It also suggests that SoM
> should be a DTS, which is not what we want for such case. Such SoMs must
> have DTSI+DTS.

So you want us to have a one-line <SoM>.dts, which just includes <SoM>.dtsi?
IMHO that adds more files for no much gain.
Users of a SoM can easily include <SoM>.dts.
'git grep "#include .*dts\>"' tells you we have plenty of users of that scheme.

Gr{oetje,eeting}s,

                        Geert

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