Date:   Wed, 22 Nov 2023 08:33:18 -0800
From:   Ian Rogers <irogers@...gle.com>
To:     Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@...nel.org>
Cc:     Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@....com>,
        Hector Martin <marcan@...can.st>,
        Marc Zyngier <maz@...nel.org>,
        Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@...hat.com>,
        James Clark <james.clark@....com>,
        linux-perf-users@...r.kernel.org,
        LKML <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
        Asahi Linux <asahi@...ts.linux.dev>
Subject: Re: [REGRESSION] Perf (userspace) broken on big.LITTLE systems since v6.5

On Wed, Nov 22, 2023 at 8:26 AM Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
<acme@...nel.org> wrote:
>
> Em Wed, Nov 22, 2023 at 08:04:26AM -0800, Ian Rogers escreveu:
> > On Wed, Nov 22, 2023 at 7:49 AM Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@....com> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Wed, Nov 22, 2023 at 10:06:23AM -0300, Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo wrote:
> > > > Em Wed, Nov 22, 2023 at 12:23:27PM +0900, Hector Martin escreveu:
> > > > > On 2023/11/22 1:38, Ian Rogers wrote:
> > > > > > On Tue, Nov 21, 2023 at 8:15 AM Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@....com> wrote:
> > > > > >> On Tue, Nov 21, 2023 at 08:09:37AM -0800, Ian Rogers wrote:
> > > > > >>> On Tue, Nov 21, 2023 at 8:03 AM Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@....com> wrote:
> > > > > >>>> On Tue, Nov 21, 2023 at 07:46:57AM -0800, Ian Rogers wrote:
> > > > > >>>>> On Tue, Nov 21, 2023 at 7:40 AM Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@....com> wrote:
> > > > > >>>>>> On Tue, Nov 21, 2023 at 03:24:25PM +0000, Marc Zyngier wrote:
> > > > > >>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Nov 2023 13:40:31 +0000,
> > > > > >>>>>>> Marc Zyngier <maz@...nel.org> wrote:
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> [Adding key people on Cc]
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Nov 2023 12:08:48 +0000,
> > > > > >>>>>>>> Hector Martin <marcan@...can.st> wrote:
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> Perf broke on all Apple ARM64 systems (tested almost everything), and
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> according to maz also on Juno (so, probably all big.LITTLE) since v6.5.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> I can confirm that at least on 6.7-rc2, perf is pretty busted on any
> > > > > >>>>>>>> asymmetric ARM platform. It isn't clear what criteria is used to pick
> > > > > >>>>>>>> the PMU, but nothing works anymore.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> The saving grace in my case is that Debian still ships a 6.1 perftool
> > > > > >>>>>>>> package, but that's obviously not going to last.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> I'm happy to test potential fixes.
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> At Mark's request, I've dumped a couple of perf (as of -rc2) runs with
> > > > > >>>>>>> -vvv.  And it is quite entertaining (this is taskset to an 'icestorm'
> > > > > >>>>>>> CPU):
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> IIUC the tool is doing the wrong thing here and overriding explicit
> > > > > >>>>>> ${pmu}/${event}/ events with PERF_TYPE_HARDWARE events rather than events using
> > > > > >>>>>> that ${pmu}'s type and event namespace.
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> Regardless of the *new* ABI that allows PERF_TYPE_HARDWARE events to be
> > > > > >>>>>> targetted to a specific PMU, it's semantically wrong to rewrite events like
> > > > > >>>>>> this since ${pmu}/${event}/ is not necessarily equivalent to a similarly-named
> > > > > >>>>>> PERF_COUNT_HW_${EVENT}.
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> If you name a PMU and an event then the event should only be opened on
> > > > > >>>>> that PMU, 100% agree. There's a bunch of output, but when the legacy
> > > > > >>>>> cycles event is opened it appears to be because it was explicitly
> > > > > >>>>> requested.
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>> I think you've missed that the named PMU events are being erreously transformed
> > > > > >>>> into PERF_TYPE_HARDWARE events. Look at the -vvv output, e.g.
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>>   Opening: apple_firestorm_pmu/cycles/
> > > > > >>>>   ------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > >>>>   perf_event_attr:
> > > > > >>>>     type                             0 (PERF_TYPE_HARDWARE)
> > > > > >>>>     size                             136
> > > > > >>>>     config                           0 (PERF_COUNT_HW_CPU_CYCLES)
> > > > > >>>>     sample_type                      IDENTIFIER
> > > > > >>>>     read_format                      TOTAL_TIME_ENABLED|TOTAL_TIME_RUNNING
> > > > > >>>>     disabled                         1
> > > > > >>>>     inherit                          1
> > > > > >>>>     enable_on_exec                   1
> > > > > >>>>     exclude_guest                    1
> > > > > >>>>   ------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > >>>>   sys_perf_event_open: pid 1045843  cpu -1  group_fd -1  flags 0x8 = 4
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>> ... which should not be PERF_TYPE_HARDWARE && PERF_COUNT_HW_CPU_CYCLES.
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>> Marc said that he bisected the issue down to commit:
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>>   5ea8f2ccffb23983 ("perf parse-events: Support hardware events as terms")
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>> ... so it looks like something is going wrong when the events are being parsed,
> > > > > >>>> e.g. losing the HW PMU information?
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> Ok, I think I'm getting confused by other things. This looks like the issue.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> I think it may be working as intended, but not how you intended :-) If
> > > > > >>> a core PMU is listed and then a legacy event, the legacy event should
> > > >
> > > > The point is that "cycles" when prefixed with "pmu/" shouldn't be
> > > > considered "cycles" as HW/0, in that setting it is "cycles" for that
> > > > PMU.
> > >
> > > Exactly.
> > >
> > > > (but we only have "cpu_cycles" for at least the a53 and a72 PMUs I
> > > > have access in a Libre Computer rockchip 3399-pc hybrid board, if we use
> > > > it, then we get what we want/had before, see below):
> > >
> > > Both Cortex-A53 and Cortex-A72 have the common PMUv3 events, so they have
> > > "cpu_cycles" and "bus_cycles".
> > >
> > > The Apple PMUs that Hector and Marc anre using don't follow the PMUv3
> > > architecture, and just have a "cycles" event.
> > >
> > > [...]
> > >
> > > > So what we need here seems to be to translate the generic term "cycles"
> > > > to "cpu_cycles" when a PMU is explicitely passed in the event name and
> > > > it doesn't have "cycles" and then just retry.
> > >
> > > I'm not sure we need to map that.
> > >
> > > My thinking is:
> > >
> > > * If the user asks for "cycles" without a PMU name, that should use the
> > >   PERF_TYPE_HARDWARE cycles event. The ARM PMUs handle that correctly when the
> > >   event is directed to them.
> > >
> > > * If the user asks for "${pmu}/cycles/", that should only use the "cycles"
> > >   event in that PMU's namespace, not PERF_TYPE_HARDWARE.
> > >
> > > * If we need a way so say "use the PERF_TYPE_HARDWARE cycles event on ${pmu}",
> > >   then we should have a new syntax for that (e.g. as we have for raw events),
> > >   e.g. it would be possible to have "pmu/hw:cycles/" or something like that.
> > >
> > > That way there's no ambiguity.
> >
> > This would break cpu_core/LLC-load-misses/ on Intel hybrid as the
> > LLC-load-misses event is legacy and not advertised in either sysfs or
> > in json.
>
> Indeed:
>
> [root@...co ~]# ls /sys/devices/cpu/events/
> branch-instructions  bus-cycles    cache-references  instructions  mem-stores  topdown-fetch-bubbles     topdown-recovery-bubbles.scale  topdown-slots-retired  topdown-total-slots.scale
> branch-misses        cache-misses  cpu-cycles        mem-loads     ref-cycles  topdown-recovery-bubbles  topdown-slots-issued            topdown-total-slots
> [root@...co ~]# strace -e perf_event_open perf stat -e cpu/LLC-load-misses/ echo
> perf_event_open({type=PERF_TYPE_HW_CACHE, size=0x88 /* PERF_ATTR_SIZE_??? */, config=PERF_COUNT_HW_CACHE_RESULT_MISS<<16|PERF_COUNT_HW_CACHE_OP_READ<<8|PERF_COUNT_HW_CACHE_LL, sample_period=0, sample_type=PERF_SAMPLE_IDENTIFIER, read_format=PERF_FORMAT_TOTAL_TIME_ENABLED|PERF_FORMAT_TOTAL_TIME_RUNNING, disabled=1, inherit=1, enable_on_exec=1, precise_ip=0 /* arbitrary skid */, exclude_guest=1, ...}, 41467, -1, -1, PERF_FLAG_FD_CLOEXEC) = 3
>
> --- SIGCHLD {si_signo=SIGCHLD, si_code=CLD_EXITED, si_pid=41467, si_uid=0, si_status=0, si_utime=0, si_stime=0} ---
>
>  Performance counter stats for 'echo':
>
>              1,015      cpu/LLC-load-misses/
>
>        0.005167119 seconds time elapsed
>
>        0.000821000 seconds user
>        0.004105000 seconds sys
>
>
> --- SIGCHLD {si_signo=SIGCHLD, si_code=SI_USER, si_pid=41466, si_uid=0} ---
> +++ exited with 0 +++
> [root@...co ~]#
>
> Is it difficult to before doing the current expansion to
> PERF_TYPE_HARDWARE/PERF_HW_CPU_CYCLES just check if there is an event
> with the name specified in the PMU specified, if there is, use that.

Agreed and I've sent an early cut of this. The issue is that then we
end up changing the encoding on Intel. I also don't see why ARM
doesn't just fix their PMU.

Thanks,
Ian

> - Arnaldo

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