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Date:   Thu, 30 Nov 2023 11:48:54 +0000
From:   Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@....com>
To:     "Ashley, William" <wash@...zon.com>
Cc:     "linux-arm-kernel@...ts.infradead.org" 
        <linux-arm-kernel@...ts.infradead.org>,
        "linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
        "linux-perf-users@...r.kernel.org" <linux-perf-users@...r.kernel.org>,
        will@...nel.org
Subject: Re: armv8pmu: Pending overflow interrupt is discarded when perf
 event is disabled

On Wed, Nov 29, 2023 at 04:35:01PM +0000, Mark Rutland wrote:
> Hi William,
> 
> On Mon, Nov 20, 2023 at 10:32:10PM +0000, Ashley, William wrote:
> > Adding linux-arm-kernel@...ts.infradead.org and linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org,
> > sorry for the noise.
> 
> Thanks for this!
> 
> For the benefit of others, the original mail (and attachment) can be found at:
> 
>   https://lore.kernel.org/linux-perf-users/950001BD-490C-4BAC-8EEA-CDB9F7C4ADFC@amazon.com/
> 
> For some reason, links and whitespace seem to have been mangled in the resend;
> I'm not sure what happened there.
> 
> I've added Will Deacon, as Will and I co-maintain the ARM PMU drivers.
> 
> > On 11/20/23, 12:36 PM, "Ashley, William" <wash@...zon.com <mailto:wash@...zon.com>> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > An issue [1] was opened in the rr-debugger project reporting occasional missed
> > perf event overflow signals on arm64. I've been digging into this and think I
> > understand what's happening, but wanted to confirm my understanding.
> > 
> > The attached example application, derived from an rr-debugger test case, reports
> > when the value of a counter doesn't increase by the expected period +/- some
> > tolerance. When it is ping-ponged between cores (e.g. with taskset) at a high
> > frequency, it frequently reports increases of ~2x the expected. I've confirmed
> > this same behavior on kernels 5.4, 5.10, 6.1 and 6.5.
> > 
> > 
> > I found armv8pmu_disable_intens [2] that is called as part of event
> > de-scheduling and contains
> > /* Clear the overflow flag in case an interrupt is pending. */
> > write_pmovsclr(mask);
> > which results in any pending overflow interrupt being dropped. I added some
> > debug output here and indeed there is a correlation of this bit being high at
> > the point of the above code and the reproducer identifying a missed signal.
> 
> I think you're right that if we had an overflow asserted at this point, we'll
> throw away the occurrence of the overflow (and so not call
> perf_event_overflow() and generate a sample, etc).
> 
> It looks like we only lose the occurrence of the overflow; the actual counts
> will get sampled correctly and when we next reprogram the event,
> armpmu_event_set_period() should set up the next overflow period.
> 
> > This behavior does not occur with pseudo-NMIs (irqchip.gicv3_pseudo_nmi=1)
> > enabled.
> 
> That's interesting, because it implies that the PMU overflow interrupt is being
> recognised by the CPU while regular interrupts are disabled. There are some
> narrow races where that could occur (e.g. taking a timer or scheduler IRQ
> *just* as an overflow occurs), and some other cases I'd expect RR to avoid by
> construction (e.g. if RR isn't using mode exclusion and also counts kernel
> events). It's also worth noting that this means there are races even with
> pseudo-NMI where overflows could be lost.
> 
> How often do you see the overflow being lost?
> 
> Does RR set any of the perf_event_attr::exclude_* bits? If not, does RR
> intentionally count events that occur within the kernel?

Looking at the test, I see it sets perf_event_attr::exclude_kernel to 1, but
doesn't set perf_event_attr::exclude_host or perf_event_attr::exclude_hv. I
think the poorly-defined exclude_* bits are part of the problem here.

Using your test as-is on my ThunderX2, I can reproduce the period being longer
than expected by concurrently running the following in a shell:

  while true; do
    for C in $(seq 0 63); do
      taskset -c -p $C ${TEST_PID_HERE};
    done; 
  done > /dev/null

... resulting in:

| [mark@...vadlaks:~]% ./counter-overflow                                     
| Pid 20060 running with period 10000 tolerance 1000
| Signal #1: last: 0, cur: 10292, max diff: 0
| Signal #415330: delta of 19999 is outside 10000 +/- 1000
| Signal #415330: last: 4153290187, cur: 4153310186, max diff: 10292
| Signal #489879: delta of 19998 is outside 10000 +/- 1000
| Signal #511842: delta of 20058 is outside 10000 +/- 1000
| Signal #511842: last: 5118430130, cur: 5118450188, max diff: 19999

However, if I modify the test to also set perf_event_attr::exclude_host=1, I do
not see any lost overflows after many minutes. On VHE hosts (like the
ThunderX2), the host kernel gets counted when perf_event_attr::exclude_host=0,
even if perf_event_attr::exclude_kernel=1 (which I agree is surprising), so I
think what's happening is the counters are counting in the host kernel, which
isn't what RR actually wants regardless.

>From looking at:

  https://github.com/rr-debugger/rr/blob/master/src/PerfCounters.cc

... it looks like RR only sets perf_event_attr::exclude_{kernel,guest}, and due
to this I think it's still counting the host kernel (and potentially the
hypervisor, depending on that hypervisor's policy for what it filters from the
guest).

There's still a potential race on the kernel side, but I suspect that if RR
were to set the non-user exclude_* bits it could significantly reduce the
chance of a lost overflow signal on existing kernels, at least on bare-metal.

This is an annoying ABI; the interaction between all the bits is ill-defined,
especially host/hv/kernel (since for VHE those are the same thing). Ideally
this would have had the opposite polarity and you'd have only needed to set an
include_user bit and be done with it.

I'll continue to look at what we can do kernel-side, but I reckon it's worth
having RR try the other exclude bits regardless, if that's possible? It would
be interesting to know whether that helps you under a hypervisor.

Thanks,
Mark.

> > When an event is not being explicitly torn down (e.g. being closed), this seems
> > like an undesirable behavior.
> 
> I agree it's undesirable, though my understanding is that for most other users
> this isn't any worse than losing samples for other reasons (e.g. the perf ring
> buffer being full), and for the general case of sample-based profiling, losing
> a sample every so often isn't the end of the world.
> 
> > I haven't attempted to demo it yet, but I suspect
> > an application disabling an event temporarily could occasionally see the same
> > missed overflow signals. Is my understanding here correct?
> 
> That sounds right to me, though I haven't checked that end-to-end yet.
> 
> > Does anyone have thoughts on how this could be addressed without creating
> > other issues?
> 
> We should be able to detect overflow from the counter value alone, so we might
> be able to account for that when we actually read the event out, or when we
> schedule it back in and reprogram the period.
> 
> I'm not sure if we can reasonably do that when scheduling the event out, since
> if we're switching tasks, that'll queue up IRQ work which will be triggered in
> the context of the next task.
> 
> We might be able to figure out that we have an overflow when we schedule the
> event in under armpmu_start(), but I'll need to go digging to see if there are
> any free-running counters as the comment above the call to
> armpmu_event_set_period() says, or whether that's a historical artifact.
> 
> I suspect we might need to restructure the code somewhat to be able to catch
> overflows more consistently. I'll see if I can come up with something, but we
> might not be able to guarantee this in all cases.
> 
> Mark.
> 
> > [1] https://github.com/rr-debugger/rr/issues/3607 <https://github.com/rr-debugger/rr/issues/3607>
> > [2] https://github.com/torvalds/linux/blob/c42d9eeef8e5ba9292eda36fd8e3c11f35ee065c/drivers/perf/arm_pmuv3.c#L652C20-L652C43 <https://github.com/torvalds/linux/blob/c42d9eeef8e5ba9292eda36fd8e3c11f35ee065c/drivers/perf/arm_pmuv3.c#L652C20-L652C43>

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