linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH 1/7] rust: file: add Rust abstraction for `struct file`

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Message-ID: <20231201085328.GE3818@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net>
Date:   Fri, 1 Dec 2023 09:53:28 +0100
From:   Peter Zijlstra <peterz@...radead.org>
To:     Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@...il.com>
Cc:     Matthew Wilcox <willy@...radead.org>,
        Alice Ryhl <aliceryhl@...gle.com>,
        Miguel Ojeda <ojeda@...nel.org>,
        Alex Gaynor <alex.gaynor@...il.com>,
        Wedson Almeida Filho <wedsonaf@...il.com>,
        Gary Guo <gary@...yguo.net>,
        Björn Roy Baron <bjorn3_gh@...tonmail.com>,
        Benno Lossin <benno.lossin@...ton.me>,
        Andreas Hindborg <a.hindborg@...sung.com>,
        Alexander Viro <viro@...iv.linux.org.uk>,
        Christian Brauner <brauner@...nel.org>,
        Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@...uxfoundation.org>,
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        Daniel Xu <dxu@...uu.xyz>, linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org,
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        Josh Triplett <josh@...htriplett.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/7] rust: file: add Rust abstraction for `struct file`

On Thu, Nov 30, 2023 at 07:25:01AM -0800, Boqun Feng wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 30, 2023 at 11:42:26AM +0100, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > On Wed, Nov 29, 2023 at 09:08:14AM -0800, Boqun Feng wrote:
> > 
> > > But but but, I then realized we have asm goto in C but Rust doesn't
> > > support them, and I haven't thought through how hard tht would be..
> > 
> > You're kidding right?
> > 
> 
> I'm not, but I've found this:
> 
> 	https://github.com/Amanieu/rfcs/blob/inline-asm/text/0000-inline-asm.md#asm-goto

Reading that makes all this even worse, apparently rust can't even use
memops.

So to summarise, Rust cannot properly interop with C, it cannot do
inline asm from this side of the millenium. Why are we even trying to
use it again?