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Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2023 18:09:20 +0100
From: Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@...aro.org>
To: Julia Lawall <julia.lawall@...ia.fr>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@...radead.org>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@...hat.com>, 
	Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@....com>, Mel Gorman <mgorman@...e.de>, linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org
Subject: Re: EEVDF and NUMA balancing

On Tue, 19 Dec 2023 at 18:51, Julia Lawall <julia.lawall@...ia.fr> wrote:
>
> > > One CPU has 2 threads, and the others have one.  The one with two threads
> > > is returned as the busiest one.  But nothing happens, because both of them
> > > prefer the socket that they are on.
> >
> > This explains way load_balance uses migrate_util and not migrate_task.
> > One CPU with 2 threads can be overloaded
> >
> > ok, so it seems that your 1st problem is that you have 2 threads on
> > the same CPU whereas you should have an idle core in this numa node.
> > All cores are sharing the same LLC, aren't they ?
>
> Sorry, not following this.
>
> Socket 1 has N-1 threads, and thus an idle CPU.
> Socket 2 has N+1 threads, and thus one CPU with two threads.
>
> Socket 1 tries to steal from that one CPU with two threads, but that
> fails, because both threads prefer being on Socket 2.
>
> Since most (or all?) of the threads on Socket 2 perfer being on Socket 2.
> the only hope for Socket 1 to fill in its idle core is active balancing.
> But active balancing is not triggered because of migrate_util and because
> CPU_NEWLY_IDLE prevents the failure counter from ebing increased.

 CPU_NEWLY_IDLE load_balance doesn't aims to do active load balance so
you should focus on the CPU_NEWLY_IDLE load_balance

>
> The part that I am currently missing to understand is that when I convert
> CPU_NEWLY_IDLE to CPU_IDLE, it typically picks a CPU with only one thread
> as busiest.  I have the impression that the fbq_type intervenes to cause

find_busiest_queue skips rqs which only have threads preferring being
in there. So it selects another rq with a thread that doesn't prefer
its current node.

do you know what is the value of env->fbq_type ?

need_active_balance() probably needs a new condition for the numa case
where the busiest queue can't be selected and we have to trigger an
active load_balance on a rq with only 1 thread but that is not running
on its preferred node. Something like the untested below :

diff --git a/kernel/sched/fair.c b/kernel/sched/fair.c
index e5da5eaab6ce..de1474191488 100644
--- a/kernel/sched/fair.c
+++ b/kernel/sched/fair.c
@@ -11150,6 +11150,24 @@ imbalanced_active_balance(struct lb_env *env)
        return 0;
 }

+static inline bool
+numa_active_balance(struct lb_env *env)
+{
+       struct sched_domain *sd = env->sd;
+
+       /*
+        * We tried to migrate only a !numa task or a task on wrong node but
+        * the busiest queue with such task has only 1 running task. Previous
+        * attempt has failed so force the migration of such task.
+        */
+       if ((env->fbq_type < all) &&
+           (env->src_rq->cfs.h_nr_running == 1) &&
+           (sd->nr_balance_failed > 0))
+               return 1;
+
+       return 0;
+}
+
 static int need_active_balance(struct lb_env *env)
 {
        struct sched_domain *sd = env->sd;
@@ -11176,6 +11194,9 @@ static int need_active_balance(struct lb_env *env)
        if (env->migration_type == migrate_misfit)
                return 1;

+       if (numa_active_balance(env))
+               return 1;
+
        return 0;
 }


> it to avoid the CPU with two threads that already prefer Socket 2.  But I
> don't know at the moment why that is the case.  In any case, it's fine to
> active balance from a CPU with only one thread, because Socket 2 will
> even itself out afterwards.
>
> >
> > You should not have more than 1 thread per CPU when there are N+1
> > threads on a node with N cores / 2N CPUs.
>
> Hmm, I think there is a miscommunication about cores and CPUs.  The
> machine has two sockets with 16 physical cores each, and thus 32
> hyperthreads.  There are 64 threads running.

Ok, I have been confused by what you wrote previously:
" The context is that there are 2N threads running on 2N cores, one thread
gets NUMA balanced to the other socket, leaving N+1 threads on one socket
and N-1 threads on the other socket."

I have assumed that there were N cores and 2N CPUs per socket as you
mentioned Intel Xeon 6130 in the commit message . My previous emails
don't apply at all with N CPUs per socket and the group_overloaded is
correct.



>
> julia
>
> > This will enable the
> > load_balance to try to migrate a task instead of some util(ization)
> > and you should reach the active load balance.
> >
> > >
> > > > In theory you should have the
> > > > local "group_has_spare" and the busiest "group_fully_busy" (at most).
> > > > This means that no group should be overloaded and load_balance should
> > > > not try to migrate utli but only task
> > >
> > > I didn't collect information about the groups.  I will look into that.
> > >
> > > julia
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > and changing the above test to:
> > > > >
> > > > >         if ((env->migration_type == migrate_task || env->migration_type == migrate_util) &&
> > > > >             (sd->nr_balance_failed > sd->cache_nice_tries+2))
> > > > >
> > > > > seems to solve the problem.
> > > > >
> > > > > I will test this on more applications.  But let me know if the above
> > > > > solution seems completely inappropriate.  Maybe it violates some other
> > > > > constraints.
> > > > >
> > > > > I have no idea why this problem became more visible with EEVDF.  It seems
> > > > > to have to do with the time slices all turning out to be the same.  I got
> > > > > the same behavior in 6.5 by overwriting the timeslice calculation to
> > > > > always return 1.  But I don't see the connection between the timeslice and
> > > > > the behavior of the idle task.
> > > > >
> > > > > thanks,
> > > > > julia
> > > >
> >

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