linux-kernel - Re: [EXT] Re: [RFC PATCH v2 0/2] Node migration between memory tiers

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Message-ID: <87a5pmddl5.fsf@yhuang6-desk2.ccr.corp.intel.com>
Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2024 16:29:42 +0800
From: "Huang, Ying" <ying.huang@...el.com>
To: Srinivasulu Thanneeru <sthanneeru@...ron.com>
Cc: gregory.price <gregory.price@...verge.com>,  Srinivasulu Opensrc
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Subject: Re: [EXT] Re: [RFC PATCH v2 0/2] Node migration between memory tiers

Srinivasulu Thanneeru <sthanneeru@...ron.com> writes:

> Micron Confidential
>
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>
> Micron Confidential
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Huang, Ying <ying.huang@...el.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 3, 2024 11:38 AM
>> To: Srinivasulu Thanneeru <sthanneeru@...ron.com>
>> Cc: gregory.price <gregory.price@...verge.com>; Srinivasulu Opensrc
>> <sthanneeru.opensrc@...ron.com>; linux-cxl@...r.kernel.org; linux-
>> mm@...ck.org; aneesh.kumar@...ux.ibm.com; dan.j.williams@...el.com;
>> mhocko@...e.com; tj@...nel.org; john@...alactic.com; Eishan Mirakhur
>> <emirakhur@...ron.com>; Vinicius Tavares Petrucci
>> <vtavarespetr@...ron.com>; Ravis OpenSrc <Ravis.OpenSrc@...ron.com>;
>> Jonathan.Cameron@...wei.com; linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org; Johannes
>> Weiner <hannes@...xchg.org>; Wei Xu <weixugc@...gle.com>
>> Subject: Re: [EXT] Re: [RFC PATCH v2 0/2] Node migration between memory
>> tiers
>>
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>> Srinivasulu Thanneeru <sthanneeru@...ron.com> writes:
>>
>> > Micron Confidential
>> >
>> > Hi Huang, Ying,
>> >
>> > My apologies for wrong mail reply format, my mail client settings got
>> changed on my PC.
>> > Please find comments bellow inline.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Srini
>> >
>> >
>> > Micron Confidential
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: Huang, Ying <ying.huang@...el.com>
>> >> Sent: Monday, December 18, 2023 11:26 AM
>> >> To: gregory.price <gregory.price@...verge.com>
>> >> Cc: Srinivasulu Opensrc <sthanneeru.opensrc@...ron.com>; linux-
>> >> cxl@...r.kernel.org; linux-mm@...ck.org; Srinivasulu Thanneeru
>> >> <sthanneeru@...ron.com>; aneesh.kumar@...ux.ibm.com;
>> >> dan.j.williams@...el.com; mhocko@...e.com; tj@...nel.org;
>> >> john@...alactic.com; Eishan Mirakhur <emirakhur@...ron.com>; Vinicius
>> >> Tavares Petrucci <vtavarespetr@...ron.com>; Ravis OpenSrc
>> >> <Ravis.OpenSrc@...ron.com>; Jonathan.Cameron@...wei.com; linux-
>> >> kernel@...r.kernel.org; Johannes Weiner <hannes@...xchg.org>; Wei Xu
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>> >> Subject: [EXT] Re: [RFC PATCH v2 0/2] Node migration between memory
>> tiers
>> >>
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>> >> Gregory Price <gregory.price@...verge.com> writes:
>> >>
>> >> > On Fri, Dec 15, 2023 at 01:02:59PM +0800, Huang, Ying wrote:
>> >> >> <sthanneeru.opensrc@...ron.com> writes:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > =============
>> >> >> > Version Notes:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > V2 : Changed interface to memtier_override from adistance_offset.
>> >> >> > memtier_override was recommended by
>> >> >> > 1. John Groves <john@...alactic.com>
>> >> >> > 2. Ravi Shankar <ravis.opensrc@...ron.com>
>> >> >> > 3. Brice Goglin <Brice.Goglin@...ia.fr>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> It appears that you ignored my comments for V1 as follows ...
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >>
>> https://lore.k/
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>> >
>> > Thank you, Huang, Ying for pointing to this.
>> >
>> https://lpc.ev/
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>> >
>> > In the presentation above, the adistance_offsets are per memtype.
>> > We believe that adistance_offset per node is more suitable and flexible.
>> > since we can change it per node. If we keep adistance_offset per memtype,
>> > then we cannot change it for a specific node of a given memtype.
>> >
>> >> >>
>> >>
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>> >
>> > Yes, memory_type would be grouping the related memories together as
>> single tier.
>> > We should also have a flexibility to move nodes between tiers, to address
>> the issues.
>> > described in use cases above.
>>
>> We don't pursue absolute flexibility.  We add necessary flexibility
>> only.  Why do you need this kind of flexibility?  Can you provide some
>> use cases where memory_type based "adistance_offset" doesn't work?
>
> - /sys/devices/virtual/memory_type/memory_type/ adistance_offset
> memory_type based "adistance_offset will provide a way to move all nodes of same memory_type (e.g. all cxl nodes)
> to different tier.

We will not put the CXL nodes with different performance metrics in one
memory_type.  If so, do you still need to move one of them?

> Whereas /sys/devices/system/node/node2/memtier_override provide a way migrate a node from one tier to another.
> Considering a case where we would like to move two cxl nodes into two different tiers in future.
> So, I thought it would be good to have flexibility at node level instead of at memory_type.

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Best Regards,
Huang, Ying