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Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2024 12:23:19 -0600
From: Rob Landley <rob@...dley.net>
To: Petr Vorel <pvorel@...e.cz>
Cc: Cyril Hrubis <chrubis@...e.cz>, Geert Uytterhoeven
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 Niklas Cassel <niklas.cassel@....com>
Subject: Re: Call for nommu LTP maintainer [was: Re: [PATCH 00/36] Remove
 UCLINUX from LTP]

On 1/10/24 07:33, Petr Vorel wrote:
>> I'm a bit weird in that I try to get CURRENT stuff to work on nommu, and a lot
>> of people have been happy to consume my work, but getting any of them to post
>> directly to linux-kernel is like pulling teeth.
> 
> Interesting, thanks for sharing this. BTW I'm not saying anybody is using nommu,
> but I wonder if anybody really test it with LTP. And if yes, I wonder why we
> don't have reports about tests broken in new API.

I don't expect a lot of nommu users are aware you ever _could_ run LTP on nommu.

But I'd like to get nommu more regularly supported. You _should_ be able to
build a musl-linux userspace with busybox or toybox and be able to build a
recognizable system (even an alpine-alike) which could then get the basic
plumbing regression tested on qemu even without access to nommu hardware.

>> > But as I said, if anybody from nommu decides to maintain it in LTP, I'll try to
>> > support him in my free time (review patches, give advices). And if nobody
>> > stands, this patchset which removes the support in the old API will be merged
>> > after next LTP release (in the end of January).
> 
>> What does the API migration do? Is there a page on it ala OABI vs EABI in arm or
>> something?
> 
> New C API is documented at our wiki: the API for using in the tests [1]
> and the library itself [2]. (We also have shell API, but we can ignore it for
> nommu.)

I'm writing a bash-compatible shell, which (thanks to Elliott forwarding
questions) has involved surprisingly long threads with the bash maintainer about
weird corner cases neither the man page nor my testing made clear:

http://lists.landley.net/pipermail/toybox-landley.net/2023-July/029631.html

(Alas I try NOT to involve him because when I bring stuff up he keeps FIXING
BASH which from my point of view just makes it a moving target...)

Anyway, running the shell API on nommu doesn't seem out of the question, but
probably not any time soon. (The fact the shell isn't finished yet is one of the
big REASONS I haven't got enough time to take on LTP. That and I haven't started
writing "awk" and "make" yet". And I need to cycle back to
https://landley.net/notes-2023.html#12-10-2023 . And after that debian, ala
https://peertube.debian.social/w/chzkKrMvEczG7qQyjbMKPr and
https://peertube.debian.social/w/45XroN9CnbYLNLKQH3GD9F . And follow up on
https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/coreutils/2023-08/msg00009.html . And...)

> All files in lib/ directory which include tst_test.h are part of new C API. Main
> file is lib/tst_test.c.

safe_fork(), safe_clone(), fork_testrun()...

> LTP tests, which has been rewritten to new API include
> tst_test.h, they are in testcases/ directory. Library has it's own tests (for
> testing regression in in lib/newlib_tests/*.c.

Library meaning... libc? Or does LTP have a library?

> The reason why Cyril wrote in 2016 new C API was that the old API was buggy
> (tests randomly fails). Tests which are still using the old API (there is
> ongoing rewrite) include test.h. The old API is not much documented.
> 
> Feel free to ask any more question.

My standard questions are "what does success look like" and "how do I reproduce
the problem".

For the first: if there previously was nommu support in LTP, what's the last
version that's known to work? Is there an existing build/test setup that can be
reproduced?

For the second... If I try to run LTP on sh2eb (my current nommu test board)
with the current LTP... do I get a build break? Additional test failures at
runtime? You talk about "removing nommu support", but... what's the current
status? (A subset of tests still use the old api...?)

Yes I need to read https://github.com/linux-test-project/ltp/wiki/C-Test-API but
I also need to know how to build LTP from source. I'm looking at the README's
list of "autoconf, automake, m4, pkgconf / pkg-config" and wincing
significantly. (What does gnu/autoconf DO here? Disable tests? I never
understand why anybody uses that giant hairball of complexity. Half of cross
compiling is figuring out how to lie to autoconf, and my normal workaround for
that is to bootstrap a target system and build natively, but while I've gotten
gcc to run natively on nommu systems, I never _tried_ gnu/autoconf.
Bootstrapping some subset of LFS on a nommu system so it has the dependencies
LFS needs to natively build seems like the long way 'round...

(I am not the right guy for "make it work the easy way". I am the guy who will
step on every land mine between here and there. I code by debugging an empty
screen. If I don't start from "known working" setup... it would take a while.)

Rob

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