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Message-ID: <Zae8ZKTpcN_BzaqU@tassilo>
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2024 03:39:16 -0800
From: Andi Kleen <ak@...ux.intel.com>
To: Ard Biesheuvel <ardb@...nel.org>
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Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v2] x86/sev: enforce RIP-relative accesses in early
 SEV/SME code

On Wed, Jan 17, 2024 at 11:59:14AM +0100, Ard Biesheuvel wrote:
> On Mon, 15 Jan 2024 at 21:47, Borislav Petkov <bp@...en8.de> wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 11, 2024 at 10:36:50PM +0000, Kevin Loughlin wrote:
> > > SEV/SME code can execute prior to page table fixups for kernel
> > > relocation. However, as with global variables accessed in
> > > __startup_64(), the compiler is not required to generate RIP-relative
> > > accesses for SEV/SME global variables, causing certain flavors of SEV
> > > hosts and guests built with clang to crash during boot.
> >
> > So, about that. If I understand my gcc toolchain folks correctly:
> >
> > mcmodel=kernel - everything fits into the high 31 bit of the address
> > space
> >
> > -fPIE/PIC - position independent
> >
> > And supplied both don't make a whole lotta of sense: if you're building
> > position-independent, then mcmodel=kernel would be overridden by the
> > first.
> >
> > I have no clue why clang enabled it...
> >
> > So, *actually* the proper fix here should be not to add this "fixed_up"
> > gunk everywhere but remove mcmodel=kernel from the build and simply do
> > -fPIE/PIC.

For the SEV file this might not work because it also has functions
that get called later at runtime, and may need to reference real
globals. I doubt the linker could resolve that.

For linking the whole kernel, I haven't seen the latest numbers, but
traditionally -fPIE/PIC cost some performance because globals get loaded
through the GOT instead of directly as immediates. That's why the original
x86-64 port went with -mcmodel=kernel.

Of course for the startup code it doesn't matter, but it might make
a difference for hot path code.

> >
> 
> Fully agree. All this fiddling with RIP relative references from C
> code is going to be a maintenance burden going forward.

IIC it's only a few functions in this case, so it shouldn't be that bad.
The early x86 startup code has a few other areas with odd restrictions,
so it's not unprecedented.

-Andi

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