linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH 1/2] powerpc: iommu: Bring back table group release

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Message-ID: <1005430514.10127305.1706283858858.JavaMail.zimbra@raptorengineeringinc.com>
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2024 09:44:18 -0600 (CST)
From: Timothy Pearson <tpearson@...torengineering.com>
To: Timothy Pearson <tpearson@...torengineering.com>
Cc: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@...pe.ca>, Shivaprasad G Bhat <sbhat@...ux.ibm.com>, 
	iommu <iommu@...ts.linux.dev>, 
	linuxppc-dev <linuxppc-dev@...ts.ozlabs.org>, 
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>, 
	Michael Ellerman <mpe@...erman.id.au>, npiggin <npiggin@...il.com>, 
	christophe leroy <christophe.leroy@...roup.eu>, 
	aneesh kumar <aneesh.kumar@...nel.org>, 
	naveen n rao <naveen.n.rao@...ux.ibm.com>, jroedel <jroedel@...e.de>, 
	aik <aik@....com>, bgray <bgray@...ux.ibm.com>, 
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@...uxfoundation.org>, 
	gbatra <gbatra@...ux.vnet.ibm.com>, vaibhav <vaibhav@...ux.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] powerpc: iommu: Bring back table group
 release_ownership() call



----- Original Message -----
> From: "Timothy Pearson" <tpearson@...torengineering.com>
> To: "Jason Gunthorpe" <jgg@...pe.ca>
> Cc: "Timothy Pearson" <tpearson@...torengineering.com>, "Shivaprasad G Bhat" <sbhat@...ux.ibm.com>, "iommu"
> <iommu@...ts.linux.dev>, "linuxppc-dev" <linuxppc-dev@...ts.ozlabs.org>, "linux-kernel" <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
> "Michael Ellerman" <mpe@...erman.id.au>, "npiggin" <npiggin@...il.com>, "christophe leroy"
> <christophe.leroy@...roup.eu>, "aneesh kumar" <aneesh.kumar@...nel.org>, "naveen n rao" <naveen.n.rao@...ux.ibm.com>,
> "jroedel" <jroedel@...e.de>, "aik" <aik@....com>, "bgray" <bgray@...ux.ibm.com>, "Greg Kroah-Hartman"
> <gregkh@...uxfoundation.org>, "gbatra" <gbatra@...ux.vnet.ibm.com>, "vaibhav" <vaibhav@...ux.ibm.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 26, 2024 9:39:56 AM
> Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] powerpc: iommu: Bring back table group release_ownership() call

> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Jason Gunthorpe" <jgg@...pe.ca>
>> To: "Timothy Pearson" <tpearson@...torengineering.com>
>> Cc: "Shivaprasad G Bhat" <sbhat@...ux.ibm.com>, "iommu" <iommu@...ts.linux.dev>,
>> "linuxppc-dev"
>> <linuxppc-dev@...ts.ozlabs.org>, "linux-kernel" <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
>> "Michael Ellerman"
>> <mpe@...erman.id.au>, "npiggin" <npiggin@...il.com>, "christophe leroy"
>> <christophe.leroy@...roup.eu>, "aneesh kumar"
>> <aneesh.kumar@...nel.org>, "naveen n rao" <naveen.n.rao@...ux.ibm.com>,
>> "jroedel" <jroedel@...e.de>, "aik"
>> <aik@....com>, "bgray" <bgray@...ux.ibm.com>, "Greg Kroah-Hartman"
>> <gregkh@...uxfoundation.org>, "gbatra"
>> <gbatra@...ux.vnet.ibm.com>, "vaibhav" <vaibhav@...ux.ibm.com>
>> Sent: Friday, January 26, 2024 9:38:06 AM
>> Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] powerpc: iommu: Bring back table group
>> release_ownership() call
> 
>> On Fri, Jan 26, 2024 at 09:29:55AM -0600, Timothy Pearson wrote:
>>> > On Fri, Jan 26, 2024 at 08:43:12PM +0530, Shivaprasad G Bhat wrote:
>>> >> > Also, is there any chance someone can work on actually fixing this to
>>> >> > be a proper iommu driver? I think that will become important for power
>>> >> > to use the common dma_iommu code in the next year...
>>> >> We are looking into it.
>>> > 
>>> > Okay, let me know, I can possibly help make parts of this happen
>>> > 
>>> > power is the last still-current architecture to be outside the modern
>>> > IOMMU and DMA API design and I'm going to start proposing things that
>>> > will not be efficient on power because of this.
>>> 
>>> I can get development resources on this fairly rapidly, including
>>> testing.  We should figure out the best way forward and how to deal
>>> with the VFIO side of things, even if that's a rewrite at the end of
>>> the day the machine-specific codebase isn't *that* large for our two
>>> target flavors (64-bit PowerNV and 64-bit pSeries).
>> 
>> I have a feeling the way forward is to just start a power driver under
>> drivers/iommu/ and use kconfig to make the user exclusively select
>> either the legacy arch or the modern iommu.
>> 
>> Get that working to a level where dma_iommu is happy.
>> 
>> Get iommufd support in the new driver good enough to run your
>> application.
>> 
>> Just forget about the weird KVM and SPAPR stuff, leave it under the
>> kconfig of the old code and nobody will run it. Almost nobody already
>> runs it, apparently.
> 
> We actually use QEMU/KVM/VFIO extensively at Raptor, so need the support and
> need it to be performant...

Never mind, I can't read this morning. :)  You did say iommufd support, which gives the VFIO passthrough functionality.  I think this is a reasonable approach, and will discuss further internally this afternoon.