linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH v8 0/4] Introduce mseal

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Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2024 15:15:27 -0800
From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>
To: Theo de Raadt <deraadt@...nbsd.org>
Cc: Jeff Xu <jeffxu@...omium.org>, "Liam R. Howlett" <Liam.Howlett@...cle.com>, 
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v8 0/4] Introduce mseal

On Thu, 1 Feb 2024 at 14:54, Theo de Raadt <deraadt@...nbsd.org> wrote:
>
> Linus, you are in for a shock when the proposal doesn't work for glibc
> and all the applications!

Heh. I've enjoyed seeing your argumentative style that made you so
famous back in the days. Maybe it's always been there, but I haven't
seen the BSD people in so long that I'd forgotten all about it.

That said, famously argumentative or not, I think Theo is right, and I
do think the MAP_SEALABLE bit is nonsensical.

If somebody wants to mseal() a memory region, why would they need to
express that ahead of time?

So the part I think is sane is the mseal() system call itself, in that
it allows *potential* future expansion of the semantics.

But hopefully said future expansion isn't even needed, and all users
want the base experience, which is why I think PROT_SEAL (both to mmap
and to mprotect) makes sense as an alternative form.

So yes, to my mind

    mprotect(addr, len, PROT_READ);
    mseal(addr, len, 0);

should basically give identical results to

    mprotect(addr, len, PROT_READ | PROT_SEAL);

and using PROT_SEAL at mmap() time is similarly the same obvious
notion of "map this, and then seal that mapping".

The reason for having "mseal()" as a separate call at all from the
PROT_SEAL bit is that it does allow possible future expansion (while
PROT_SEAL is just a single bit, and it won't change semantics) but
also so that you can do whatever prep-work in stages if you want to,
and then just go "now we seal it all".

          Linus