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Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2024 22:41:42 +0000
From: Yuxuan Shui <yshuiv7@...il.com>
To: Fangrui Song <maskray@...gle.com>
Cc: Masahiro Yamada <masahiroy@...nel.org>, llvm@...ts.linux.dev, nathan@...nel.org, 
	nicolas@...sle.eu, linux-kbuild@...r.kernel.org, tglx@...utronix.de, 
	mingo@...hat.com, bp@...en8.de, dave.hansen@...ux.intel.com, x86@...nel.org, 
	hpa@...or.com, linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] kbuild: Fix building with LLVM on NixOS

Hi,

On Mon, Feb 12, 2024 at 9:59 PM Fangrui Song <maskray@...gle.com> wrote:
>
> On Mon, Feb 12, 2024 at 1:30 PM Masahiro Yamada <masahiroy@...nelorg> wrote:
> >
> > +Cc: Fangrui Song <maskray@...gle.com>
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 8, 2024 at 10:22 AM Yuxuan Shui <yshuiv7@...il.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > NixOS is designed to have immutable packages, and explicit dependencies.
> > > It allows multiple different versions of the same shared library to
> > > co-exist in its file system.
> > >
> > > Each application built with Nix, the NixOS package manager, will have
> > > paths to its dependency shared libraries hardcoded into its executable,
> > > this includes the dynamic linker. To achieve this, Nix adds a
> > > --dynamic-linker linker flag when building any application.
> > >
> > > This isn't a problem if the kernel is built with ld.bfd, because ld.bfd
> > > ignores the --dynamic-linker flag when the resulting binary doesn't have
> > > a DT_NEEDED entry. However, ld.lld respects --dynamic-linker
> > > unconditionally, which breaks linking in several cases.
> > >
> > > This commit adds an explicit --no-dynamic-linker flag which overrides
> > > the flag added by Nix.
> >
> >
> >
> > I expect some Acks from LLVM folks (especially, from Frangrui)
> > if this is the right thing to do.
>
> GNU ld seems to ignore --dynamic-linker for a position-dependent
> executable (ET_EXEC) when there is no DT_NEEDED entry.
> ld.lld respects --dynamic-linker in this case. Before this kernel
> report, I do not know any user inconvenienced by this difference.
> (mold respects --dynamic-linker as well.)
> This could be helpful to test an executable with PT_INTERP but no DT_NEEDED.
>
> I think this patch does not fix non-x86 builds.

This is true. I am not familiar with non-x86, and I don't have a test
environment for them.
That being said, if you or someone can point to me what other linker
flag variables I need
to change, I will try to fix them as well.

> It feels to me that NixOS should provide a linker wrapper that does
> not force --dynamic-linker=.

I actually tried that. The problem is, NixOS tries to enforce the same
build environment
for downstream packages that depend on the kernel (think kernel
modules, perf, etc.) This
is reasonable in most cases. But if I use a linker wrapper that does
_not_ have --dynamic-linker
for the kernel, then all downstream packages will inherit the same
linker wrapper too. This
breaks, for example, zfs. Because its configure script tries to build
some executable and
run them, which fails because it's using a linker wrapper without
--dynamic-linker.

> While it's extremely uncommon (and generally not recommended), certain
> programs invoke the linker directly (instead of using a compiler
> driver).
> Such programs would run into a problem when they make a
> position-dependent executable with no dependency as well.

I don't think I quite get what you are trying to say here.

> I don't feel that NixOS forcing --dynamic-linker= is enough
> justification to change linkers.

You already rejected the option of changing lld to match ld.bfd's behavior.
If you reject this kernel patch also, then what's left can only be some horrible
hacks on NixOS' side; or this means NixOS will never get a clang built kernel.
Which would be quite unfortunate.

>
> > > Signed-off-by: Yuxuan Shui <yshuiv7@...il.com>
> > > ---
> > >  Makefile                      | 3 +++
> > >  arch/x86/boot/Makefile        | 2 +-
> > >  arch/x86/realmode/rm/Makefile | 2 +-
> > >  3 files changed, 5 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)
> > >
> > > diff --git a/Makefile b/Makefile
> > > index a171eafce2a3b..10ed19caecb1b 100644
> > > --- a/Makefile
> > > +++ b/Makefile
> > > @@ -531,6 +531,9 @@ RUSTFLAGS_KERNEL =
> > >  AFLAGS_KERNEL  =
> > >  LDFLAGS_vmlinux =
> > >
> > > +LDFLAGS_MODULE += --no-dynamic-linker
> > > +LDFLAGS_vmlinux += --no-dynamic-linker
> > > +
> > >  # Use USERINCLUDE when you must reference the UAPI directories only.
> > >  USERINCLUDE    := \
> > >                 -I$(srctree)/arch/$(SRCARCH)/include/uapi \
> > > diff --git a/arch/x86/boot/Makefile b/arch/x86/boot/Makefile
> > > index 3cece19b74732..390a4604166eb 100644
> > > --- a/arch/x86/boot/Makefile
> > > +++ b/arch/x86/boot/Makefile
> > > @@ -102,7 +102,7 @@ $(obj)/zoffset.h: $(obj)/compressed/vmlinux FORCE
> > >  AFLAGS_header.o += -I$(objtree)/$(obj)
> > >  $(obj)/header.o: $(obj)/zoffset.h
> > >
> > > -LDFLAGS_setup.elf      := -m elf_i386 -z noexecstack -T
> > > +LDFLAGS_setup.elf      := --no-dynamic-linker -m elf_i386 -z noexecstack -T
> > >  $(obj)/setup.elf: $(src)/setup.ld $(SETUP_OBJS) FORCE
> > >         $(call if_changed,ld)
> > >
> > > diff --git a/arch/x86/realmode/rm/Makefile b/arch/x86/realmode/rm/Makefile
> > > index f614009d3e4e2..4b42006d9ce02 100644
> > > --- a/arch/x86/realmode/rm/Makefile
> > > +++ b/arch/x86/realmode/rm/Makefile
> > > @@ -50,7 +50,7 @@ $(obj)/pasyms.h: $(REALMODE_OBJS) FORCE
> > >  targets += realmode.lds
> > >  $(obj)/realmode.lds: $(obj)/pasyms.h
> > >
> > > -LDFLAGS_realmode.elf := -m elf_i386 --emit-relocs -T
> > > +LDFLAGS_realmode.elf := --no-dynamic-linker -m elf_i386 --emit-relocs -T
> > >  CPPFLAGS_realmode.lds += -P -C -I$(objtree)/$(obj)
> > >
> > >  targets += realmode.elf
> > > --
> > > 2.43.0
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Best Regards
> > Masahiro Yamada
> >
>
>
> --
> 宋方睿

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Regards
Yuxuan Shui

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