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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2024 15:05:08 -0500
From: "Liang, Kan" <kan.liang@...ux.intel.com>
To: Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@...nel.org>,
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Subject: Re: [BUG] perf/x86/intel: HitM false-positives on Ice Lake / Tiger
 Lake (I think?)

Hi Jann,

Sorry for the late response.

On 2024-02-20 10:42 a.m., Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo wrote:
> Just adding Joe Mario to the CC list.
> 
> On Mon, Feb 19, 2024 at 03:20:00PM -0800, Ian Rogers wrote:
>> On Mon, Feb 19, 2024 at 5:01 AM Jann Horn <jannh@...gle.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi!
>>>
>>> From what I understand, "perf c2c" shows bogus HitM events on Ice Lake
>>> (and newer) because Intel added some feature where *clean* cachelines
>>> can get snoop-forwarded ("cross-core FWD"), and the PMU apparently
>>> treats this mostly the same as snoop-forwarding of modified cache
>>> lines (HitM)? On a Tiger Lake CPU, I can see addresses from the kernel
>>> rodata section in "perf c2c report".
>>>
>>> This is mentioned in the SDM, Volume 3B, section "20.9.7 Load Latency
>>> Facility", table "Table 20-101. Data Source Encoding for Memory
>>> Accesses (Ice Lake and Later Microarchitectures)", encoding 07H:
>>> "XCORE FWD. This request was satisfied by a sibling core where either
>>> a modified (cross-core HITM) or a non-modified (cross-core FWD)
>>> cache-line copy was found."
>>>
>>> I don't see anything about this in arch/x86/events/intel/ds.c - if I
>>> understand correctly, the kernel's PEBS data source decoding assumes
>>> that 0x07 means "L3 hit, snoop hitm" on these CPUs. I think this needs
>>> to be adjusted somehow - and maybe it just isn't possible to actually
>>> distinguish between HitM and cross-core FWD in PEBS events on these
>>> CPUs (without big-hammer chicken bit trickery)? Maybe someone from
>>> Intel can clarify?
>>>
>>> (The SDM describes that E-cores on the newer 12th Gen have more
>>> precise PEBS encodings that distinguish between "L3 HITM" and "L3
>>> HITF"; but I guess the P-cores there maybe still don't let you
>>> distinguish HITM/HITF?)

Right, there is no way to distinguish HITM/HITF on Tiger Lake.

I think what we can do is to add both HITM and HITF for the 0x07 to
match the SDM description.

How about the below patch (not tested yet)?
diff --git a/arch/x86/events/intel/ds.c b/arch/x86/events/intel/ds.c
index d49d661ec0a7..8c966b5b23cb 100644
--- a/arch/x86/events/intel/ds.c
+++ b/arch/x86/events/intel/ds.c
@@ -84,7 +84,7 @@ static u64 pebs_data_source[] = {
	OP_LH | P(LVL, L3)  | LEVEL(L3) | P(SNOOP, NONE),  /* 0x04: L3 hit */
	OP_LH | P(LVL, L3)  | LEVEL(L3) | P(SNOOP, MISS),  /* 0x05: L3 hit,
snoop miss */
	OP_LH | P(LVL, L3)  | LEVEL(L3) | P(SNOOP, HIT),   /* 0x06: L3 hit,
snoop hit */
-	OP_LH | P(LVL, L3)  | LEVEL(L3) | P(SNOOP, HITM),  /* 0x07: L3 hit,
snoop hitm */
+	OP_LH | P(LVL, L3)  | LEVEL(L3) | P(SNOOP, HITM) | P(SNOOPX, FWD),  /*
0x07: L3 hit, snoop hitm & fwd */
	OP_LH | P(LVL, REM_CCE1) | REM | LEVEL(L3) | P(SNOOP, HIT),  /* 0x08:
L3 miss snoop hit */
	OP_LH | P(LVL, REM_CCE1) | REM | LEVEL(L3) | P(SNOOP, HITM), /* 0x09:
L3 miss snoop hitm*/
	OP_LH | P(LVL, LOC_RAM)  | LEVEL(RAM) | P(SNOOP, HIT),       /* 0x0a:
L3 miss, shared */


>>>
>>>
>>> I think https://perfmon-events.intel.com/tigerLake.html is also
>>> outdated, or at least it uses ambiguous grammar: The
>>> MEM_LOAD_L3_HIT_RETIRED.XSNP_FWD event (EventSel=D2H UMask=04H) is
>>> documented as "Counts retired load instructions where a cross-core
>>> snoop hit in another cores caches on this socket, the data was
>>> forwarded back to the requesting core as the data was modified
>>> (SNOOP_HITM) or the L3 did not have the data(SNOOP_HIT_WITH_FWD)" -
>>> from what I understand, a "cross-core FWD" should be a case where the
>>> L3 does have the data, unless L3 has become non-inclusive on Ice Lake?
>>>

For the event, the BriefDescription in the event list json file gives a
more accurate description.
"BriefDescription": "Snoop hit a modified(HITM) or clean line(HIT_W_FWD)
in another on-pkg core which forwarded the data back due to a retired
load instruction.",
https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/tree/tools/perf/pmu-events/arch/x86/tigerlake/cache.json#n286

Thanks,
Kan
>>> On a Tiger Lake CPU, I can see this event trigger for the
>>> sys_call_table, which is located in the rodata region and probably
>>> shouldn't be containing Modified cache lines:
>>>
>>> # grep -A1 -w sys_call_table /proc/kallsyms
>>> ffffffff82800280 D sys_call_table
>>> ffffffff82801100 d vdso_mapping
>>> # perf record -e mem_load_l3_hit_retired.xsnp_fwd:ppp --all-kernel -c 100 --data
>>> ^C[ perf record: Woken up 11 times to write data ]
>>> [ perf record: Captured and wrote 22.851 MB perf.data (43176 samples) ]
>>> # perf script -F event,ip,sym,addr | egrep --color 'ffffffff828002[89abcdef]'
>>> mem_load_l3_hit_retired.xsnp_fwd:ppp: ffffffff82800280
>>> ffffffff82526275 do_syscall_64
>>> mem_load_l3_hit_retired.xsnp_fwd:ppp: ffffffff828002d8
>>> ffffffff82526275 do_syscall_64
>>> mem_load_l3_hit_retired.xsnp_fwd:ppp: ffffffff82800280
>>> ffffffff82526275 do_syscall_64
>>> mem_load_l3_hit_retired.xsnp_fwd:ppp: ffffffff828002b8
>>> ffffffff82526275 do_syscall_64
>>> mem_load_l3_hit_retired.xsnp_fwd:ppp: ffffffff828002b8
>>> ffffffff82526275 do_syscall_64
>>> mem_load_l3_hit_retired.xsnp_fwd:ppp: ffffffff828002b8
>>> ffffffff82526275 do_syscall_64
>>> mem_load_l3_hit_retired.xsnp_fwd:ppp: ffffffff82800280
>>> ffffffff82526275 do_syscall_64
>>> mem_load_l3_hit_retired.xsnp_fwd:ppp: ffffffff82800288
>>> ffffffff82526275 do_syscall_64
>>> mem_load_l3_hit_retired.xsnp_fwd:ppp: ffffffff828002b8
>>> ffffffff82526275 do_syscall_64
>>>
>>>
>>> (For what it's worth, there is a thread on LKML where "cross-core FWD"
>>> got mentioned: <https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/b4aaf1ed-124d-1339-3e99-a120f6cc4d28@linux.intel.com/>)
>>
>> +others better qualified than me to respond.
>>
>> Hi Jann,
>>
>> I'm not overly familiar with the issue, but it appears a similar issue
>> has been reported for Broadwell Xeon here:
>> https://community.intel.com/t5/Software-Tuning-Performance/Broadwell-Xeon-perf-c2c-showing-remote-HITM-but-remote-socket-is/td-p/1172120
>> I'm not sure that thread will be particularly useful, but having the
>> Intel people better qualified than me to answer is probably the better
>> service of this email.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Ian
> 

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