Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2024 08:39:30 +0000
From: "Russell King (Oracle)" <linux@...linux.org.uk>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next v5 1/9] net: phylink: provide
 mac_get_pcs_neg_mode() function

On Tue, Mar 05, 2024 at 12:20:39PM +0800, Choong Yong Liang wrote:
> 
> 
> On 23/2/2024 2:58 pm, Voon, Weifeng wrote:
> > > > For instance, if the interface switches from 2500baseX to SGMII mode,
> > > > and the current link mode is MLO_AN_PHY, calling
> > > 'phylink_pcs_neg_mode'
> > > > would yield PHYLINK_PCS_NEG_OUTBAND. Since the MAC and PCS driver
> > > > require PHYLINK_PCS_NEG_INBAND_ENABLED, the
> > > 'mac_get_pcs_neg_mode'
> > > > function will calculate the mode based on the interface, current link
> > > > negotiation mode, and advertising link mode, returning
> > > > PHYLINK_PCS_NEG_OUTBAND to enable the PCS to configure the correct
> > > settings.
> > > 
> > > This paragraph doesn't make sense - at least to me. It first talks about
> > > requiring PHYLINK_PCS_NEG_INBAND_ENABLED when in SGMII mode. On
> > > this:
> > 
> > The example given here is a very specific condition and that probably why there are some confusions here. Basically, this patch provides an optional function for MAC driver to change the phy interface on-the-fly without the need of reinitialize the Ethernet driver. As we know that the 2500base-x is messy, in our case the 2500base-x does not support inband. To complete the picture, we are using SGMII c37 to handle speed 10/100/1000. Hence, to enable user to switch link speed from 2500 to 1000/100/10 and vice versa on-the-fly, the phy interface need to be configured to inband SGMII for speed 10/100/1000, and outband 2500base-x for speed 2500. Lastly, the newly introduced "mac_get_pcs_neg_mode"callback function enables MAC driver to reconfigure pcs negotiation mode to inband or outband based on the interface mode, current link negotiation mode, and advertising link mode.
> > 
> > > 
> > > 1) are you sure that the hardware can't be programmed for the SGMII
> > > symbol repititions?
> > > 
> > 
> > No, the HW can be program for SGMII symbol repetitions.
> > 
> > > 2) what happens if you're paired with a PHY (e.g. on a SFP module) which
> > > uses SGMII but has no capability of providing the inband data?
> > > (They do exist.) If your hardware truly does require inband data, it is going to
> > > be fundamentally inoperative with these modules.
> > > 
> > 
> > Above explanation should have already cleared your doubts. Inband or outband capability is configured based on the phy interface.
> > 
> > > Next, you then talk about returning PHYLINK_PCS_NEG_OUTBAND for the
> > > "correct settings". How does this relate to the first part where you basically
> > > describe the problem as SGMII requring inband? Basically the two don't
> > > follow.
> > 
> > It should be a typo mistake. SGMII should return PHYLINK_PCS_NEG_INBAND_ENABLED.
> > 
> > > 
> > > How, from a design point of view, because this fundamentally allows drivers
> > > to change how the system behaves, it will allow radically different behaviours
> > > for the same parameters between different drivers.
> > > I am opposed to that - I want to see a situation where we have uniform
> > > behaviour for the same configuration, and where hardware doesn't support
> > > something, we have some way to indicate that via some form of capabilities.
> > > 
> > 
> > Hi Russell,
> > If I understand you correctly, MAC driver should not interfere with pcs negotiation mode and it should be standardized in the generic function, e.g., phylink_pcs_neg_mode()?
> > 
> > > The issue of whether 2500base-X has inband or not is a long standing issue,
> > > and there are arguments (and hardware) that take totally opposing views on
> > > this. There is hardware where 2500base-X inband _must_ be used or the link
> > > doesn't come up. There is also hardware where 2500base-X inband is not
> > > "supported" in documentation but works in practice. There is also hardware
> > > where 2500base-X inband doesn't work. The whole thing is a total mess
> > > (thanks IEEE 802.3 for not getting on top of this early enough... and what's
> > > now stated in 802.3 for 2500base-X is now irrelevant because they were too
> > > late to the
> > > party.)
> > > 
> > 
> > Agreed. And I have also seen some of your comments regarding the 2500SGMII and 2500BASEX.
> > 
> Hi Russell,
> 
> Did the previous reply clear your doubt?

I am working on the problem as and when I can find the time (which is
not much spare time.) I have some prototype code at the moment.

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