Message-ID: <54bc850b2eba7ee4fc58cb77c76628b4@manjaro.org>
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2024 08:08:16 +0100
From: Dragan Simic <dsimic@...jaro.org>
To: Alexey Charkov <alchark@...il.com>
Cc: Sebastian Reichel <sebastian.reichel@...labora.com>, Rob Herring
 <robh+dt@...nel.org>, Krzysztof Kozlowski
 <krzysztof.kozlowski+dt@...aro.org>, Conor Dooley <conor+dt@...nel.org>,
 Heiko Stuebner <heiko@...ech.de>, Daniel Lezcano
 <daniel.lezcano@...aro.org>, Viresh Kumar <viresh.kumar@...aro.org>, Chen-Yu
 Tsai <wens@...nel.org>, devicetree@...r.kernel.org,
 linux-arm-kernel@...ts.infradead.org, linux-rockchip@...ts.infradead.org,
 linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 0/5] RK3588 and Rock 5B dts additions: thermal, OPP and
 fan

Hello Alexey,

On 2024-03-07 15:21, Dragan Simic wrote:
> On 2024-03-07 13:38, Alexey Charkov wrote:
>> On Tue, Mar 5, 2024 at 12:06 PM Alexey Charkov <alchark@...il.com> 
>> wrote:
>>> On Mon, Mar 4, 2024 at 9:51 PM Sebastian Reichel
>>> <sebastian.reichel@...labora.com> wrote:
>>> > On Thu, Feb 29, 2024 at 11:26:31PM +0400, Alexey Charkov wrote:
>>> > > This enables thermal monitoring and CPU DVFS on RK3588(s), as well as
>>> > > active cooling on Radxa Rock 5B via the provided PWM fan.
>>> > >
>>> > > Some RK3588 boards use separate regulators to supply CPUs and their
>>> > > respective memory interfaces, so this is handled by coupling those
>>> > > regulators in affected boards' device trees to ensure that their
>>> > > voltage is adjusted in step.
>>> > >
>>> > > In this revision of the series I chose to enable TSADC for all boards
>>> > > at .dtsi level, because:
>>> > >  - The defaults already in .dtsi should work for all users, given that
>>> > >    the CRU based resets don't need any out-of-chip components, and
>>> > >    the CRU vs. PMIC reset is pretty much the only thing a board might
>>> > >    have to configure / override there
>>> > >  - The boards that have TSADC_SHUT signal wired to the PMIC reset line
>>> > >    can still choose to override the reset logic in their .dts. Or stay
>>> > >    with CRU based resets, as downstream kernels do anyway
>>> > >  - The on-by-default approach helps ensure thermal protections are in
>>> > >    place (emergency reset and throttling) for any board even with a
>>> > >    rudimentary .dts, and thus lets us introduce CPU DVFS with better
>>> > >    peace of mind
>>> > >
>>> > > Fan control on Rock 5B has been split into two intervals: let it spin
>>> > > at the minimum cooling state between 55C and 65C, and then accelerate
>>> > > if the system crosses the 65C mark - thanks to Dragan for suggesting.
>>> > > This lets some cooling setups with beefier heatsinks and/or larger
>>> > > fan fins to stay in the quietest non-zero fan state while still
>>> > > gaining potential benefits from the airflow it generates, and
>>> > > possibly avoiding noisy speeds altogether for some workloads.
>>> > >
>>> > > OPPs help actually scale CPU frequencies up and down for both cooling
>>> > > and performance - tested on Rock 5B under varied loads. I've split
>>> > > the patch into two parts: the first containing those OPPs that seem
>>> > > to be no-regret with general consensus during v1 review [2], while
>>> > > the second contains OPPs that cause frequency reductions without
>>> > > accompanying decrease in CPU voltage. There seems to be a slight
>>> > > performance gain in some workload scenarios when using these, but
>>> > > previous discussion was inconclusive as to whether they should be
>>> > > included or not. Having them as separate patches enables easier
>>> > > comparison and partial reversion if people want to test it under
>>> > > their workloads, and also enables the first 'no-regret' part to be
>>> > > merged to -next while the jury is still out on the second one.
>>> > >
>>> > > [1] https://lore.kernel.org/linux-rockchip/1824717.EqSB1tO5pr@bagend/T/#ma2ab949da2235a8e759eab22155fb2bc397d8aea
>>> > > [2] https://lore.kernel.org/linux-rockchip/CABjd4YxqarUCbZ-a2XLe3TWJ-qjphGkyq=wDnctnEhdoSdPPpw@mail.gmail.com/T/#m49d2b94e773f5b532a0bb5d3d7664799ff28cc2c
>>> > >
>>> > > Signed-off-by: Alexey Charkov <alchark@...il.com>
>>> > > ---
>>> > > Changes in v3:
>>> > > - Added regulator coupling for EVB1 and QuartzPro64
>>> > > - Enabled the TSADC for all boards in .dtsi, not just Rock 5B (thanks ChenYu)
>>> > > - Added comments regarding two passive cooling trips in each zone (thanks Dragan)
>>> > > - Fixed active cooling map numbering for Radxa Rock 5B (thanks Dragan)
>>> > > - Dropped Daniel's Acked-by tag from the Rock 5B fan patch, as there's been quite some
>>> > >   churn there since the version he acknowledged
>>> > > - Link to v2: https://lore.kernel.org/r/20240130-rk-dts-additions-v2-0-c6222c4c78df@gmail.com
>>> > >
>>> > > Changes in v2:
>>> > > - Dropped the rfkill patch which Heiko has already applied
>>> > > - Set higher 'polling-delay-passive' (100 instead of 20)
>>> > > - Name all cooling maps starting from map0 in each respective zone
>>> > > - Drop 'contribution' properties from passive cooling maps
>>> > > - Link to v1: https://lore.kernel.org/r/20240125-rk-dts-additions-v1-0-5879275db36f@gmail.com
>>> > >
>>> > > ---
>>> > > Alexey Charkov (5):
>>> > >       arm64: dts: rockchip: enable built-in thermal monitoring on RK3588
>>> > >       arm64: dts: rockchip: enable automatic active cooling on Rock 5B
>>> > >       arm64: dts: rockchip: Add CPU/memory regulator coupling for RK3588
>>> > >       arm64: dts: rockchip: Add OPP data for CPU cores on RK3588
>>> > >       arm64: dts: rockchip: Add further granularity in RK3588 CPU OPPs
>>> > >
>>> > >  arch/arm64/boot/dts/rockchip/rk3588-evb1-v10.dts   |  12 +
>>> > >  .../arm64/boot/dts/rockchip/rk3588-quartzpro64.dts |  12 +
>>> > >  arch/arm64/boot/dts/rockchip/rk3588-rock-5b.dts    |  30 +-
>>> > >  arch/arm64/boot/dts/rockchip/rk3588s.dtsi          | 385 ++++++++++++++++++++-
>>> > >  4 files changed, 437 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)
>>> >
>>> > I'm too busy to have a detailed review of this series right now, but
>>> > I pushed it to our CI and it results in a board reset at boot time:
>>> >
>>> > https://gitlab.collabora.com/hardware-enablement/rockchip-3588/linux/-/jobs/300950
>>> >
>>> > I also pushed just the first three patches (i.e. without OPP /
>>> > cpufreq) and that boots fine:
>>> >
>>> > https://gitlab.collabora.com/hardware-enablement/rockchip-3588/linux/-/jobs/300953
>>> 
>>> Thank you for testing these! I've noticed in the boot log that the CI
>>> machine uses some u-boot 2023.07 - is that a downstream one? Any
>>> chance to compare it to 2023.11 or 2024.01 from your (Collabora)
>>> integration tree?
>>> 
>>> I use 2023.11 from your integration tree, with a binary bl31, and I'm
>>> not getting those resets even under prolonged heavy load (I rebuild
>>> Chromium with 8 concurrent compilation jobs as the stress test -
>>> that's 14 hours of heavy CPU, memory and IO use). Would be 
>>> interesting
>>> to understand if it's just a 'lucky' SoC specimen on my side, or if
>>> there is some dark magic happening differently on my machine vs. your
>>> CI machine.
>>> 
>>> Thinking that maybe if your CI machine uses a downstream u-boot it
>>> might be leaving some extra hardware running (PVTM?) which might do
>>> weird stuff when TSADC/clocks/voltages get readjusted by the generic
>>> cpufreq driver?..
>>> 
>>> > Note, that OPP / cpufreq works on the same boards in the CI when
>>> > using the ugly-and-not-for-upstream cpufreq driver:
>>> >
>>> > https://gitlab.collabora.com/hardware-enablement/rockchip-3588/linux/-/commit/9c90c5032743a0419bf3fd2f914a24fd53101acd
>>> >
>>> > My best guess right now is, that this is related to the generic
>>> > driver obviously not updating the GRF read margin registers.
>>> 
>>> If it was about memory read margins I believe I would have been
>>> unlikely to get my machine to work reliably under heavy load with the
>>> default ones, but who knows...
>> 
>> Sebastian's report led me to investigate further how all those things
>> are organized in the downstream code and in hardware, and what could
>> be a pragmatic way forward with upstream enablement. It turned out to
>> be quite a rabbit hole frankly, with multiple layers of abstraction
>> and intertwined code in different places.
>> 
>> Here's a quick summary for future reference:
>>  - CPU clocks on RK3588 are ultimately managed by the ATF firmware,
>> which provides an SCMI service to expose them to the kernel
>>  - ATF itself doesn't directly set any clock frequencies. Instead, it
>> accepts a target frequency via SCMI and converts it into an oscillator
>> ring length setting for the PVPLL hardware block (via a fixed table
>> lookup). At least that's how it's done in the recently released TF-A
>> bl31 code [1] - perhaps the binary bl31 does something similar
>>  - U-boot doesn't seem to mess with CPU clocks, PVTM or PVPLL
>>  - PVPLL produces a reference clock to feed to the CPUs, which depends
>> on the configured oscillator ring length but also on the supply
>> voltage, silicon quality and perhaps temperature too. ATF doesn't know
>> anything about voltages or temperatures, so it doesn't guarantee that
>> the requested frequency is matched by the hardware
>>  - PVPLL frequency generation is bypassed for lower-frequency OPPs, in
>> which case the target frequency is directly fed by the ATF to the CRU.
>> This happens for both big-core and little-core frequencies below 816
>> MHz
>>  - Given that requesting a particular frequency via SCMI doesn't
>> guarantee that it will be what the CPUs end up running at, the vendor
>> kernel also does a runtime voltage calibration for the supply
>> regulators, by adjusting the supply voltage in minimum regulator steps
>> until the frequency reported by PVPLL gets close to the requested one
>> [2]. It then overwrites OPP provided voltage values with the
>> calibrated ones
>>  - There's also some trickery with preselecting OPP voltage sets using
>> the "-Lx" suffix based on silicon quality, as measured by a "leakage"
>> value stored in an NVMEM cell and/or the PVTM frequency generated at a
>> reference "midpoint" OPP [3]. Better performing silicon gets to run at
>> lower default supply voltages, thus saving power
>>  - Once the OPPs are selected and calibrated, the only remaining
>> trickery is the two supply regulators per each CPU cluster (one for
>> the CPUs and the other for the memory interface)
>>  - Another catch, as Sebastian points out, is that memory read margins
>> must be adjusted whenever the memory interface supply voltage crosses
>> certain thresholds [4]. This has little to do with CPUs or
>> frequencies, and is only tangentially related to them due to the
>> dependency chain between the target CPU frequency -> required CPU
>> supply voltage -> matching memory interface supply voltage -> required
>> read margins
>>  - At reset the ATF switches all clocks to the lowest 408 MHz [6], so
>> setting it to anything in kernel code (as the downstream driver does)
>> seems redundant
>> 
>> All in all, it does indeed sound like Collabora's CI machine boot-time
>> resets are most likely caused by the missing memory read margin
>> settings in my patch series. Voltage values in the OPPs I used are the
>> most conservative defaults of what the downstream DT has, and PVPLL
>> should be able to generate reasonable clock speeds with those (albeit
>> likely suboptimal, due to them not being tuned to the particular
>> silicon specimen). And there is little else to differ frankly.
>> 
>> As for the way forward, it would be great to know the opinions from
>> the list. My thinking is as follows:
>>  - I can introduce memory read margin updates as the first priority,
>> leaving voltage calibration and/or OPP preselection for later (as
>> those should not affect system stability at current default values,
>> perhaps only power efficiency to a certain extent)
>>  - CPUfreq doesn't sound like the right place for those, given that
>> they have little to do with either CPU or freq :)
>>  - I suggest a custom regulator config helper to plug into the OPP
>> layer, as is done for TI OMAP5 [6]. At first, it might be only used
>> for looking up and setting the correct memory read margin value
>> whenever the cluster supply voltage changes, and later the same code
>> can be extended to do voltage calibration. In fact, OMAP code is there
>> for a very similar purpose, but in their case optimized voltages are
>> pre-programmed in efuses and don't require runtime recalibration
>>  - Given that all OPPs in the downstream kernel list identical
>> voltages for the memory supply as for the CPU supply, I don't think it
>> makes much sense to customize the cpufreq driver per se.
>> Single-regulator approach with the generic cpufreq-dt and regulator
>> coupling sounds much less invasive and thus lower-maintenance
> 
> Thank you very much for a detailed and highly useful summary!
> 
> I'll retrace your steps into and, hopefully, out of the rabbit hole. :)
> After that, I'll come back with an update.

Just a brief update...  I went even a bit deeper into multiple rabbit
holes, :) and I'll come back with a detailed update a bit later, 
together
with a proposal for the plan to move forward.  The final outcome should
be awesome. :)

>> [1] 
>> https://gitlab.collabora.com/hardware-enablement/rockchip-3588/trusted-firmware-a/-/blob/rk3588/plat/rockchip/rk3588/drivers/scmi/rk3588_clk.c?ref_type=heads#L303
>> [2] 
>> https://github.com/radxa/kernel/blob/c428536281d69aeb2b3480f65b2b227210b61535/drivers/soc/rockchip/rockchip_opp_select.c#L804
>> [3] 
>> https://github.com/radxa/kernel/blob/c428536281d69aeb2b3480f65b2b227210b61535/drivers/soc/rockchip/rockchip_opp_select.c#L1575
>> [4] 
>> https://github.com/radxa/kernel/blob/c428536281d69aeb2b3480f65b2b227210b61535/drivers/cpufreq/rockchip-cpufreq.c#L405
>> [5] 
>> https://gitlab.collabora.com/hardware-enablement/rockchip-3588/trusted-firmware-a/-/blob/rk3588/plat/rockchip/rk3588/drivers/scmi/rk3588_clk.c?ref_type=heads#L2419
>> [6] 
>> https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/tree/drivers/opp/ti-opp-supply.c#n275
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Linux-rockchip mailing list
> Linux-rockchip@...ts.infradead.org
> http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-rockchip

Powered by blists - more mailing lists