linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH 1/1] mm/khugepaged: reduce process visible downtime by pre-zeroing hugepage

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Message-ID: <75630ba6-79b6-4105-b614-29cfb0331084@redhat.com>
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2024 14:19:37 +0100
From: David Hildenbrand <david@...hat.com>
To: Lance Yang <ioworker0@...il.com>
Cc: akpm@...ux-foundation.org, mhocko@...e.com, zokeefe@...gle.com,
 shy828301@...il.com, xiehuan09@...il.com, songmuchun@...edance.com,
 minchan@...nel.org, linux-mm@...ck.org, linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/1] mm/khugepaged: reduce process visible downtime by
 pre-zeroing hugepage

On 12.03.24 14:09, Lance Yang wrote:
> Hey David,
> 
> Thanks for taking time to review!
> 
> On Tue, Mar 12, 2024 at 12:19 AM David Hildenbrand <david@...hat.com> wrote:
>>
>> On 08.03.24 08:49, Lance Yang wrote:
>>> The patch reduces the process visible downtime during hugepage
>>> collapse. This is achieved by pre-zeroing the hugepage before
>>> acquiring mmap_lock(write mode) if nr_pte_none >= 256, without
>>> affecting the efficiency of khugepaged.
>>>
>>> On an Intel Core i5 CPU, the process visible downtime during
>>> hugepage collapse is as follows:
>>>
>>> | nr_ptes_none  | w/o __GFP_ZERO | w/ __GFP_ZERO  |  Change |
>>> --------------------------------------------------—----------
>>> |      511      |     233us      |      95us      |  -59.21%|
>>> |      384      |     376us      |     219us      |  -41.20%|
>>> |      256      |     421us      |     323us      |  -23.28%|
>>> |      128      |     523us      |     507us      |   -3.06%|
>>>
>>> Of course, alloc_charge_hpage() will take longer to run with
>>> the __GFP_ZERO flag.
>>>
>>> |       Func           | w/o __GFP_ZERO | w/ __GFP_ZERO |
>>> |----------------------|----------------|---------------|
>>> | alloc_charge_hpage   |      198us     |      295us    |
>>>
>>> But it's not a big deal because it doesn't impact the total
>>> time spent by khugepaged in collapsing a hugepage. In fact,
>>> it would decrease.
>>
>> It does look sane to me and not overly complicated.
>>
>> But, it's an optimization really only when we have quite a bunch of
>> pte_none(), possibly repeatedly so that it really makes a difference.
>>
>> Usually, when we repeatedly collapse that many pte_none() we're just
>> wasting a lot of memory and should re-evaluate life choices :)
> 
> Agreed! It seems that the default value of max_pte_none may be set too
> high, which could result in the memory wastage issue we're discussing.

IIRC, some companies disable it completely (set to 0) because of that.

> 
>>
>> So my question is: do we really care about it that much that we care to
>> optimize?
> 
> IMO, although it may not be our main concern, reducing the impact of
> khugepaged on the process remains crucial. I think that users also prefer
> minimal interference from khugepaged.

The problem I am having with this is that for the *common* case where we 
have a small number of pte_none(), we cannot really optimize because we 
have to perform the copy.

So this feels like we're rather optimizing a corner case, and I am not 
so sure if that is really worth it.

Other thoughts?

-- 
Cheers,

David / dhildenb