linux-kernel - Re: [RFC 00/14] Dynamic Kernel Stacks

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Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2024 15:53:39 -0400
From: Kent Overstreet <kent.overstreet@...ux.dev>
To: Matthew Wilcox <willy@...radead.org>
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Subject: Re: [RFC 00/14] Dynamic Kernel Stacks

On Thu, Mar 14, 2024 at 07:43:06PM +0000, Matthew Wilcox wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 12, 2024 at 10:18:10AM -0700, H. Peter Anvin wrote:
> > Second, non-dynamic kernel memory is one of the core design decisions in
> > Linux from early on. This means there are lot of deeply embedded assumptions
> > which would have to be untangled.
> 
> I think there are other ways of getting the benefit that Pasha is seeking
> without moving to dynamically allocated kernel memory.  One icky thing
> that XFS does is punt work over to a kernel thread in order to use more
> stack!  That breaks a number of things including lockdep (because the
> kernel thread doesn't own the lock, the thread waiting for the kernel
> thread owns the lock).
> 
> If we had segmented stacks, XFS could say "I need at least 6kB of stack",
> and if less than that was available, we could allocate a temporary
> stack and switch to it.  I suspect Google would also be able to use this
> API for their rare cases when they need more than 8kB of kernel stack.
> Who knows, we might all be able to use such a thing.
> 
> I'd been thinking about this from the point of view of allocating more
> stack elsewhere in kernel space, but combining what Pasha has done here
> with this idea might lead to a hybrid approach that works better; allocate
> 32kB of vmap space per kernel thread, put 12kB of memory at the top of it,
> rely on people using this "I need more stack" API correctly, and free the
> excess pages on return to userspace.  No complicated "switch stacks" API
> needed, just an "ensure we have at least N bytes of stack remaining" API.

Why would we need an "I need more stack" API? Pasha's approach seems
like everything we need for what you're talking about.