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Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2024 10:59:05 -0700
From: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@...gle.com>
To: David Stevens <stevensd@...omium.org>
Cc: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@...hat.com>, Yu Zhang <yu.c.zhang@...ux.intel.com>, 
	Isaku Yamahata <isaku.yamahata@...il.com>, Zhi Wang <zhi.wang.linux@...il.com>, 
	Maxim Levitsky <mlevitsk@...hat.com>, kvmarm@...ts.linux.dev, linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, 
	kvm@...r.kernel.org, Axel Rasmussen <axelrasmussen@...gle.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v11 0/8] KVM: allow mapping non-refcounted pages

On Thu, Mar 14, 2024, Sean Christopherson wrote:
> +Alex, who is looking at the huge-VM_PFNMAP angle in particular.

Oof, *Axel*.  Sorry Axel.

> On Thu, Mar 14, 2024, Sean Christopherson wrote:
> > -Christ{oph,ian} to avoid creating more noise...
> > 
> > On Thu, Mar 14, 2024, David Stevens wrote:
> > > Because of that, the specific type of pfns that don't work right now are
> > > pfn_valid() && !PG_Reserved && !page_ref_count() - what I called the
> > > non-refcounted pages in a bad choice of words. If that's correct, then
> > > perhaps this series should go a little bit further in modifying
> > > hva_to_pfn_remapped, but it isn't fundamentally wrong.
> > 
> > Loosely related to all of this, I have a mildly ambitious idea.  Well, one mildly
> > ambitious idea, and one crazy ambitious idea.  Crazy ambitious idea first...
> > 
> > Something we (GCE side of Google) have been eyeballing is adding support for huge
> > VM_PFNMAP memory, e.g. for mapping large amounts of device (a.k.a. GPU) memory
> > into guests using hugepages.  One of the hiccups is that follow_pte() doesn't play
> > nice with hugepages, at all, e.g. even has a "VM_BUG_ON(pmd_trans_huge(*pmd))".
> > Teaching follow_pte() to play nice with hugepage probably is doing, but making
> > sure all existing users are aware, maybe not so much.
> > 
> > My first (half baked, crazy ambitious) idea is to move away from follow_pte() and
> > get_user_page_fast_only() for mmu_notifier-aware lookups, i.e. that don't need
> > to grab references, and replace them with a new converged API that locklessly walks
> > host userspace page tables, and grabs the hugepage size along the way, e.g. so that
> > arch code wouldn't have to do a second walk of the page tables just to get the
> > hugepage size.
> > 
> > In other words, for the common case (mmu_notifier integration, no reference needed),
> > route hva_to_pfn_fast() into the new API and walk the userspace page tables (probably
> > only for write faults, to avoid CoW compliciations) before doing anything else.
> > 
> > Uses of hva_to_pfn() that need to get a reference to the struct page couldn't be
> > converted, e.g. when stuffing physical addresses into the VMCS for nested virtualization.
> > But for everything else, grabbing a reference is a non-goal, i.e. actually "getting"
> > a user page is wasted effort and actively gets in the way.
> > 
> > I was initially hoping we could go super simple and use something like x86's
> > host_pfn_mapping_level(), but there are too many edge cases in gup() that need to
> > be respected, e.g. to avoid mapping memfd_secret pages into KVM guests.  I.e. the
> > API would need to be a formal mm-owned thing, not some homebrewed KVM implementation.
> > 
> > I can't tell if the payoff would be big enough to justify the effort involved, i.e.
> > having a single unified API for grabbing PFNs from the primary MMU might just be a
> > pie-in-the-sky type idea.
> > 
> > My second, less ambitious idea: the previously linked LWN[*] article about the
> > writeback issues reminded me of something that has bugged me for a long time.  IIUC,
> > getting a writable mapping from the primary MMU marks the page/folio dirty, and that
> > page/folio stays dirty until the data is written back and the mapping is made read-only.
> > And because KVM is tapped into the mmu_notifiers, KVM will be notified *before* the
> > RW=>RO conversion completes, i.e. before the page/folio is marked clean.
> > 
> > I _think_ that means that calling kvm_set_page_dirty() when zapping a SPTE (or
> > dropping any mmu_notifier-aware mapping) is completely unnecessary.  If that is the
> > case, _and_ we can weasel our way out of calling kvm_set_page_accessed() too, then
> > with FOLL_GET plumbed into hva_to_pfn(), we can:
> > 
> >   - Drop kvm_{set,release}_pfn_{accessed,dirty}(), because all callers of hva_to_pfn()
> >     that aren't tied into mmu_notifiers, i.e. aren't guaranteed to drop mappings
> >     before the page/folio is cleaned, will *know* that they hold a refcounted struct
> >     page.
> > 
> >   - Skip "KVM: x86/mmu: Track if sptes refer to refcounted pages" entirely, because
> >     KVM never needs to know if a SPTE points at a refcounted page.
> > 
> > In other words, double down on immediately doing put_page() after gup() if FOLL_GET
> > isn't specified, and naturally make all KVM MMUs compatible with pfn_valid() PFNs
> > that are acquired by follow_pte().
> > 
> > I suspect we can simply mark pages as access when a page is retrieved from the primary
> > MMU, as marking a page accessed when its *removed* from the guest is rather nonsensical.
> > E.g. if a page is mapped into the guest for a long time and it gets swapped out, marking
> > the page accessed when KVM drops its SPTEs in response to the swap adds no value.  And
> > through the mmu_notifiers, KVM already plays nice with setups that use idle page
> > tracking to make reclaim decisions.
> > 
> > [*] https://lwn.net/Articles/930667

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