linux-kernel - Re: [WIP 0/3] Memory model and atomic API in Rust

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Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2024 15:57:12 -0700
From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>
To: Kent Overstreet <kent.overstreet@...ux.dev>
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Subject: Re: [WIP 0/3] Memory model and atomic API in Rust

On Wed, 27 Mar 2024 at 14:41, Kent Overstreet <kent.overstreet@...ux.dev> wrote:
>
>
> On the hardware end, the Mill guys were pointing out years ago that
> register renaming is a big power bottleneck in modern processors;

LOL.

The Mill guys took the arguments from the Itanium people, and turned
the crazy up to 11, with "the belt" and seemingly trying to do a
dataflow machine but not worrying over-much about memory accesses etc.

The whole "we'll deal with it in the compiler" is crazy talk.

In other words, I'll believe it when I see it. And I doubt we'll ever see it.

               Linus