Message-ID: <CAJD7tkZeYi65nYZ8c-3ZdNRWuSsgHjerXAPbZcMH5kKF3Kjdow@mail.gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2024 15:29:07 -0700
From: Yosry Ahmed <yosryahmed@...gle.com>
To: Johannes Weiner <hannes@...xchg.org>
Cc: Nhat Pham <nphamcs@...il.com>, Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>, 
	Chengming Zhou <chengming.zhou@...ux.dev>, linux-mm@...ck.org, linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, 
	Srividya Desireddy <srividya.desireddy@...il.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 6/9] mm: zswap: drop support for non-zero same-filled
 pages handling

On Fri, Mar 29, 2024 at 2:17 PM Johannes Weiner <hannes@...xchg.org> wrote:
>
> On Fri, Mar 29, 2024 at 11:56:46AM -0700, Yosry Ahmed wrote:
> > > I perf'd zswapping out data that is 10% same-filled and 90% data that
> > > always needs compression. It does nothing but madvise(MADV_PAGEOUT),
> > > and the zswap_store() stack is already only ~60% of the cycles.
> > >
> > > Using zsmalloc + zstd, this is the diff between vanilla and my patch:
> > >
> > > # Baseline  Delta Abs  Shared Object         Symbol
> > > # ........  .........  ....................  ....................................................
> > > #
> > >      4.34%     -3.02%  [kernel.kallsyms]     [k] zswap_store
> > >     11.07%     +1.41%  [kernel.kallsyms]     [k] ZSTD_compressBlock_doubleFast
> > >     15.55%     +0.91%  [kernel.kallsyms]     [k] FSE_buildCTable_wksp
> > >
> > > As expected, we have to compress a bit more; on the other hand we're
> > > removing the content scan for same-filled for 90% of the pages that
> > > don't benefit from it. They almost amortize each other. Let's round it
> > > up and the remaining difference is ~1%.
> >
> > Thanks for the data, this is very useful.
> >
> > There is also the load path. The original patch that introduced
> > same-filled pages reports more gains on the load side, which also
> > happens to be more latency-sensitive. Of course, the data could be
> > outdated -- but it's a different type of workload than what will be
> > running in a data center fleet AFAICT.
> >
> > Is there also no noticeable difference on the load side in your data?
>
>      9.40%     +2.51%  [kernel.kallsyms]  [k] ZSTD_safecopy
>      0.76%     -0.48%  [kernel.kallsyms]  [k] zswap_load
>
> About 2% net.
>
> Checking other compression algorithms, lzo eats 27.58%, and lz4
> 13.82%. The variance between these alone makes our "try to be smarter
> than an actual compression algorithm" code look even sillier.
>
> > Also, how much increase did you observe in the size of compressed data
> > with your patch? Just curious about how zstd ended up handling those
> > pages.
>
> Checking zsmalloc stats, it did pack the same-filled ones down into 32
> byte objects. So 0.7% of their original size. That's negligible, even
> for workloads that have an unusually high share of them.

Glad to see that this was handled appropriately.

>
> > > It's difficult to make the case that this matters to any real
> > > workloads with actual think time in between paging.
> >
> > If the difference in performance is 1%, I surely agree.
> >
> > The patch reported 19-32% improvement in store time for same-filled
> > pages depending on the workload and platform. For 10% same-filled
> > pages, this should roughly correspond to 2-3% overall improvement,
> > which is not too far from the 1% you observed.
>
> Right.
>
> > The patch reported much larger improvement for load times (which
> > matters more), 49-85% for same-filled pages. If this corresponds to
> > 5-8% overall improvement in zswap load time for a workload with 10%
> > same-filled pages, that would be very significant. I don't expect to
> > see such improvements tbh, but we should check.
>
> No, I'm seeing around 2% net.

You mentioned that other compressors eat more cycles in this case, so
perhaps the data in the original patch comes from one of those
compressors.

>
> > > But let's say you do make the case that zero-filled pages are worth
> > > optimizing for.
> >
> > I am not saying they are for sure, but removing the same-filled
> > checking didn't seem to improve performance much in my testing, so the
> > cost seems to be mostly in maintenance. This makes it seem to me that
> > it *could* be a good tradeoff to only handle zero-filled pages. We can
> > make them slightly faster and we can trim the complexity -- as shown
> > by this patch.
>
> In the original numbers, there was a certain percentage of non-zero
> same-filled pages. You still first have to find that number for real
> production loads to determine what the tradeoff actually is.
>
> And I disagree that the code is less complex. There are fewer lines to
> the memchr_inv() than to the open-coded word-scan, but that scan is
> dead simple, self-contained and out of the way.
>
> So call that a wash in terms of maintenance burden, but for a
> reduction in functionality and a regression risk (however small).
>
> The next patch to store them as special xarray entries is also a wash
> at best. It trades the entry having an implicit subtype for no type at
> all. zswap_load_zero_filled() looks like it's the fast path, and
> decompression the fallback; the entry destructor is now called
> "zswap_tree_free_element" and takes a void pointer. It also re-adds
> most of the lines deleted by the zero-only patch.
>
> I think this is actually a bit worse than the status quo.
>
> But my point is, this all seems like a lot of opportunity cost in
> terms of engineering time, review bandwidth, regression risk, and
> readability, hackability, reliability, predictability of the code -
> for gains that are still not shown to actually matter in practice.

Yeah in terms of code cleanliness it did not turn out as I thought it
would. Actually even using different subtypes will have either
similarly abstract (yet less clear) helpers, or completely separate
paths with code duplication -- both of which are not ideal. So perhaps
it's better to leave it alone (and perhaps clean it up slightly) or
remove it completely.

I wanted to see what others thought, and I was aware it's
controversial (hence RFC) :)

Anyway, I will send a separate series with only cleanups and removing
knobs. We can discuss completely removing same-filled handling
separately. I suspect 2% regression in the load path (and potentially
larger with other compressors) may not be okay.

If handling for zero-filled pages is added directly in reclaim as you
suggested though, then the justification for handling other patterns
in zswap becomes much less :) Handling it in reclaim also means we
avoid IO for zero pages completely, which would be even more
beneficial than just avoiding compression/decompression in zswap.

>
> https://lore.kernel.org/all/20240328122352.a001a56aed97b01ac5931998@linux-foundation.org/
>
> This needs numbers to show not just that your patches are fine, but
> that any version of this optimization actually matters for real
> workloads. Without that, my vote would be NAK.

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