linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH 3/6] dt-bindings: HID: i2c-hid: elan: add 'no-reset-on-power-off' property

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Message-ID: <bde4884c-117b-4e6e-8c7b-401b8320655b@kernel.org>
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2024 11:39:24 +0200
From: Krzysztof Kozlowski <krzk@...nel.org>
To: Johan Hovold <johan@...nel.org>
Cc: Johan Hovold <johan+linaro@...nel.org>, Jiri Kosina <jikos@...nel.org>,
 Benjamin Tissoires <benjamin.tissoires@...hat.com>,
 Dmitry Torokhov <dmitry.torokhov@...il.com>, Rob Herring <robh@...nel.org>,
 Krzysztof Kozlowski <krzk+dt@...nel.org>, Conor Dooley
 <conor+dt@...nel.org>, Bjorn Andersson <andersson@...nel.org>,
 Konrad Dybcio <konrad.dybcio@...aro.org>,
 Linus Walleij <linus.walleij@...aro.org>,
 Douglas Anderson <dianders@...omium.org>, linux-input@...r.kernel.org,
 devicetree@...r.kernel.org, linux-arm-msm@...r.kernel.org,
 linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/6] dt-bindings: HID: i2c-hid: elan: add
 'no-reset-on-power-off' property

On 24/04/2024 09:34, Johan Hovold wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 23, 2024 at 06:29:44PM +0200, Krzysztof Kozlowski wrote:
>> On 23/04/2024 15:46, Johan Hovold wrote:
>>> When the power supply is shared with other peripherals the reset line
>>> can be wired in such a way that it can remain deasserted regardless of
>>> whether the supply is on or not.
>>
>> To clarify: the reset line is still present and working in such case?
> 
> Yes.
> 
>>> This is important as it can be used to avoid holding the controller in
>>> reset for extended periods of time when it remains powered, something
>>> which can lead to increased power consumption. Leaving reset deasserted
>>> also avoids leaking current through the reset circuitry pull-up
>>> resistors.
>>>
>>> Add a new 'no-reset-on-power-off' devicetree property which can be used
>>> by the OS to determine when reset needs to be asserted on power down.
>>>
>>> Note that this property can also be used when the supply cannot be
>>> turned off by the OS at all.
> 
>>>    reset-gpios:
>>>      description: Reset GPIO; not all touchscreens using eKTH6915 hook this up.
>>>  
>>> +  no-reset-on-power-off:
>>
>> Missing vendor prefix. Unless you want to re-use existing property
>> "keep-power-in-suspend", but the case here mentions power off, not suspend.
> 
> No, I left out the prefix on purpose as I mentioned in the cover letter.
> There is nothing vendor specific about this property and I expect it to
> be reused for other devices.
> 
> And "keep-power-in-suspend" is too specific and indeed looks like
> instruction to the OS rather than hw description (more below), but
> importantly it is not related to the problem here (which is about
> reset, not power).
>  
>> Anyway, the property sounds like what the OS should be doing, which is
>> not what we want. You basically instruct driver what to do. We want a
>> described hardware configuration or hardware specifics.
> 
> Right, and this was why I at first rejected a property name like this in
> favour of 'reset-pulled-to-supply' in my first draft. That name
> obviously does not work as the 'supply' suffix is already claimed, but I
> also realised that it doesn't really describe the hardware property that
> allows the reset line to remain asserted.
> 
> The key feature in this hardware design is that the reset line will not
> just be pulled to the supply voltage (what other voltage would it be
> pulled to), but that it is also pulled to ground when the supply is
> disabled.

OK, if the property was specific to the hardware, then I would propose
something more hardware-related, e.g. "reset-supply-tied". However :


> Rather than trying to encode this in the property name, I settled on the
> descriptive 'no-reset-on-power-off' after the seeing the prior art in
> 'goodix,no-reset-during-suspend' property. The latter is too specific
> and encodes policy, but the former could still be considered hardware
> description and would also apply to other designs which have the
> property that the reset line should be left deasserted.
> 
> One such example is when the supply can not be disabled at all (e.g. the
> Goodix case), but I can imagine there being more than one way to design
> such reset circuits.

It seems it is common problem. LEDs have property
"retain-state-shutdown", to indicate that during system shutdown we
should not touch them (like power off). Would some variant be applicable
here? First, do we talk here about power off like system shutdown or
runtime PM, thus suspend?


Best regards,
Krzysztof