linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH v5 0/3] implement OA2_CRED

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Message-ID: <CALCETrUZp2P1PXwJeL7ryda_qSLGsgHf5X0Zpw8piiT58k-cYg@mail.gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 6 May 2024 10:34:16 -0700
From: Andy Lutomirski <luto@...nel.org>
To: Aleksa Sarai <cyphar@...har.com>
Cc: Stas Sergeev <stsp2@...dex.ru>, "Serge E. Hallyn" <serge@...lyn.com>, linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, 
	Stefan Metzmacher <metze@...ba.org>, Eric Biederman <ebiederm@...ssion.com>, 
	Alexander Viro <viro@...iv.linux.org.uk>, Andy Lutomirski <luto@...nel.org>, 
	Christian Brauner <brauner@...nel.org>, Jan Kara <jack@...e.cz>, Jeff Layton <jlayton@...nel.org>, 
	Chuck Lever <chuck.lever@...cle.com>, Alexander Aring <alex.aring@...il.com>, 
	David Laight <David.Laight@...lab.com>, linux-fsdevel@...r.kernel.org, 
	linux-api@...r.kernel.org, Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@...hat.com>, 
	Christian Göttsche <cgzones@...glemail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 0/3] implement OA2_CRED_INHERIT flag for openat2()

On Mon, May 6, 2024 at 10:29 AM Andy Lutomirski <luto@...capital.net> wrote:
>
> Replying to a couple emails at once...
>
> On Mon, May 6, 2024 at 12:14 AM Aleksa Sarai <cyphar@...har.com> wrote:

> > I also find it somewhat amusing that this proposal is to basically give
> > up on multi-user permissions for this one directory tree because it's
> > too annoying to deal with. In that case, isn't chmod 777 a simpler
> > solution? (I'm being a bit flippant, of course there is a difference,
> > but the net result is that all users in the container would have the
> > same permissions with all of the fun issues that implies.)
> >
> > In short, AFAICS idmapped mounts pretty much solve this problem (minus
> > the ability to collapse users, which I suspect is not a good idea in
> > general)?
> >
>
> With my kernel hat on, maybe I agree.  But with my *user* hat on, I
> think I pretty strongly disagree.  Look, idmapis lousy for
> unprivileged use:
>
> $ install -m 0700 -d test_directory
> $ echo 'hi there' >test_directory/file
> $ podman run -it --rm
> --mount=type=bind,src=test_directory,dst=/tmp,idmap [debian-slim]
> # cat /tmp/file
> hi there
>
> <-- Hey, look, this kind of works!
>
> # setpriv --reuid=1 ls /tmp
> ls: cannot open directory '/tmp': Permission denied
>
> <-- Gee, thanks, Linux!

I should add: this is lousy even for privileged use.  On a normal
non-containerized system:

$ ls -ld /var/lib/mysql
drwxr-xr-x. 3 mysql mysql 4096 Sep 20  2023 /var/lib/mysql

This makes perfect sense.

But if I want to run mysql in a container in a sane way, my only real
choice is either to trust the container manager quite strongly (so it
only maps this directory into the correct container) or, if I want to
separate out management of this container into its own UID (which is a
good practice), then I'm forced to do some kind of fragile hack like
making a directory only accessible to the correct UID and then
creating a 0777 directory inside it and bind-mounting *that*.