linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH v3 6/6] mm: swap: entirely map large folios found in swapcache

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Date: Tue, 7 May 2024 21:24:32 +1200
From: Barry Song <21cnbao@...il.com>
To: David Hildenbrand <david@...hat.com>
Cc: Ryan Roberts <ryan.roberts@....com>, akpm@...ux-foundation.org, linux-mm@...ck.org, 
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 6/6] mm: swap: entirely map large folios found in swapcache

On Tue, May 7, 2024 at 8:59 PM David Hildenbrand <david@...hat.com> wrote:
>
> >> Let's assume a single subpage of a large folio is no longer mapped.
> >> Then, we'd have:
> >>
> >> nr_pages == folio_nr_pages(folio) - 1.
> >>
> >> You could simply map+reuse most of the folio without COWing.
> >
> > yes. This is good but the pte which is no longer mapped could be
> > anyone within the nr_pages PTEs. so it could be quite tricky for
> > set_ptes.
>
> The swap batching logic should take care of that, otherwise it would be
> buggy.

When you mention "it would be buggy," are you also referring to the current
fallback approach? or only refer to the future patch which might be able
to map/reuse "nr_pages - 1" pages?

The current patch falls back to setting nr_pages = 1 without mapping or
reusing nr_pages - 1. I feel your concern doesn't refer to this fallback?

>
> >
> >>
> >> Once we support COW reuse of PTE-mapped THP we'd do the same. Here, it's
> >> just easy to detect that the folio is exclusive (folio_ref_count(folio)
> >> == 1 before mapping anything).
> >>
> >> If you really want to mimic what do_wp_page() currently does, you should
> >> have:
> >>
> >> exclusive || (folio_ref_count(folio) == 1 && !folio_test_large(folio))
> >
> > I actually dislike the part that do_wp_page() handles the reuse of a large
> > folio which is entirely mapped. For example, A forks B, B exit, we write
> > A's large folio, we get nr_pages CoW of small folios. Ideally, we can
> > reuse the whole folios for writing.
>
> Yes, see the link I shared to what I am working on. There isn't really a
> question if what we do right now needs to be improved and all these
> scenarios are pretty obvious clear.

Great! I plan to dedicate more time to reviewing your work.

>
> >
> >>
> >> Personally, I think we should keep it simple here and use:
> >>
> >> exclusive || folio_ref_count(folio) == 1
> >
> > I feel this is still better than
> > exclusive || (folio_ref_count(folio) == 1 && !folio_test_large(folio))
> > as we reuse the whole large folio. the do_wp_page() behaviour
> > doesn't have this.
>
> Yes, but there is the comment "Same logic as in do_wp_page();". We
> already ran into issues having different COW reuse logic all over the
> place. For this case here, I don't care if we leave it as
>
> "exclusive || folio_ref_count(folio) == 1"

I'm perfectly fine with using the code for this patchset and maybe
looking for other
opportunities for potential optimization as an incremental patchset,
for example,
reusing the remaining PTEs as suggested by you -  "simply map+reuse most of
the folio without COWing."

>
> But let's not try inventing new stuff here.

It seems you ignored and snipped my "16 + 14" pages and "15" pages
example though. but once we support "simply map+reuse most of the
folio without COWing", the "16+14" problem can be resolved, instead,
we consume 16 pages.

>
> --
> Cheers,
>
> David / dhildenb

Thanks
Barry