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Date: Tue, 07 May 2024 13:44:29 +0200
From: "Arnd Bergmann" <arnd@...db.de>
To: "Daniel Vetter" <daniel@...ll.ch>
Cc: "Florian Fainelli" <florian.fainelli@...adcom.com>,
 linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, "Helge Deller" <deller@....de>,
 "Thomas Zimmermann" <tzimmermann@...e.de>,
 "Javier Martinez Canillas" <javierm@...hat.com>,
 "Sam Ravnborg" <sam@...nborg.org>,
 "open list:FRAMEBUFFER LAYER" <linux-fbdev@...r.kernel.org>,
 "open list:FRAMEBUFFER LAYER" <dri-devel@...ts.freedesktop.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] fbdev: Have CONFIG_FB_NOTIFY be tristate

On Tue, May 7, 2024, at 13:10, Daniel Vetter wrote:
> On Mon, May 06, 2024 at 04:53:47PM +0200, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
>> On Mon, May 6, 2024, at 15:14, Daniel Vetter wrote:
>> > On Fri, May 03, 2024 at 01:22:10PM -0700, Florian Fainelli wrote:
>> >> On 5/3/24 12:45, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
>> 
>> This is the current Android GKI config:
>> https://android.googlesource.com/kernel/common.git/+/refs/heads/android-mainline/arch/arm64/configs/gki_defconfig
>> where I can see that CONFIG_DRM is built-in, but DRM_FBDEV_EMULATION
>> CONFIG_VT, CONFIG_FRAMEBUFFER_CONSOLE, CONFIG_FB_DEVICE and
>> CONFIG_FB_CORE are all disabled.
>> 
>> So the console won't work at all,I think this means that there
>> is no way to get the console working, but building a fb.ko module
>> allows using /dev/fb with simplefb.ko (or any other one) happens
>> to almost work, but only by dumb luck rather than by design.
>
> So using /dev/fb chardev without fbcon is very much a real idea. This way
> you should be able to run old userspace that uses fbdev directly for
> drawing, but your console needs are served by a userspace console running
> on top of drm.
>
> vt switching gets a bit more entertaining, but I thought logind has all
> the glue already to make that happen. Worst case you need a tiny launcher
> tool to get your userspace console out of the way while you launch a fbdev
> using application, but I think correctly implement the vt ioctls to switch
> to graphics mode /should/ work automatically.
>
> I do agree that this is only really a good idea with drm drivers, since
> those do not rely on any of the fbdev infrastructure like the notifier
> under discussion.

I'm pretty sure what Florian is looking for has no dependency
on VT, fbcon or logind, but I'm only guessing based on the
information I see in the public Android source trees.

My understanding is that the Android recovery application is a
graphical tool that accesses the framebuffer directly and
is controlled using the volume and power buttons on a phone.

>> I suppose making CONFIG_FB_NOTIFIER optional for FB (on by
>> default if any of the consumers of the notification are turned
>> on) would not be a bad direction to go in general and also
>> address Florian's link error, but that doesn't solve the
>> more general concern about a third-party fb.ko module on a
>> kernel that was explicitly built with FB disabled.
>> 
>> The GKI defconfig was initially done at a time where one could
>> not have CONFIG_FBDEV_EMULATION and CONFIG_FB_DEVICE without
>> pulling in the entire fbdev module, but now that is possible.
>> Maybe that is something that Android could now include?
>> 
>> Alternatively, I wonder if that recovery image could be changed
>> to access the screen through the /dev/dri/ interfaces? I have
>> no experience in using those without Xorg or Wayland, is that
>> a sensible thing to do?
>
> Uh ... I think I'm confused about the requirements. Does android's
> recovery image need fbdev (meaning /dev/fb chardevs), or does it need
> fbcon?
>
> Note that fbcon runs (or well, should run) totally fine on top of drm
> drivers without the fb notifier. This wasn't the case a few years ago
> (because fbcon also used that notifier), but nowadays fb notifiers are
> only needed for legacy fbdev drivers. So could it be that this "need fb
> notifier" requirement is a leftover from rather old kernel versions and
> not actually needed anymore?
>
> I think we should nail the actual requirements here first before jumping
> to solutions ...

Right, let's wait for Florian to reply. From what he said earlier
though, the only reason that the notifiers are getting in the
way is the link error you get from trying to load a separately
built fb.ko module on a kernel that was built with FB=n / FB_CORE=n,
so I don't think he even cares about notifiers, only about
allowing the recovery application to mmap() the framebuffer.

     Arnd

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