linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH v6 0/3] implement OA2_CRED

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Message-ID: <7fcb3f51-468f-444d-9dd4-fa4028f018fc@yandex.ru>
Date: Tue, 7 May 2024 15:48:22 +0300
From: stsp <stsp2@...dex.ru>
To: Aleksa Sarai <cyphar@...har.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, Stefan Metzmacher <metze@...ba.org>,
 Eric Biederman <ebiederm@...ssion.com>,
 Alexander Viro <viro@...iv.linux.org.uk>, Andy Lutomirski <luto@...nel.org>,
 Christian Brauner <brauner@...nel.org>, Jan Kara <jack@...e.cz>,
 Jeff Layton <jlayton@...nel.org>, Chuck Lever <chuck.lever@...cle.com>,
 Alexander Aring <alex.aring@...il.com>,
 David Laight <David.Laight@...lab.com>, linux-fsdevel@...r.kernel.org,
 linux-api@...r.kernel.org, Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@...hat.com>,
 Christian Göttsche <cgzones@...glemail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v6 0/3] implement OA2_CRED_INHERIT flag for openat2()

07.05.2024 14:58, Aleksa Sarai пишет:
> On 2024-05-07, stsp <stsp2@...dex.ru> wrote:
>> 07.05.2024 10:50, Aleksa Sarai пишет:
>>> If you are a privileged process which plans to change users,
>> Not privileged at all. But I think what you say is still possible with
>> userns?
> It is possible to configure MOUNT_ATTR_IDMAP in a user namespace but
> there are some restrictions that I suspect will make this complicated.
> If you try to do something with a regular filesystem you'll probably run
> into issues because you won't have CAP_SYS_ADMIN in the super block's
> userns. But you could probably do it with tmpfs.

Then its likely not a replacement for
my proposal, as I really don't need that
on tmpfs.
Perhaps right now I can use the helper
process and an rpc as a replacement.
This is much more work and is slower,
but more or less can approximate my
original design decision quite precisely.
Another disadvantage of an rpc approach
is that the fds I get from the helper
process, can not be trusted, as in this
case kernel doesn't guarantee the fd
actually refers to the resource I requested.
I've seen a few OSes where rpc is checked
by a trusted entity to avoid such problem.

>>> A new attack I just thought of while writing this mail is that because
>>> there is no RESOLVE_NO_XDEV requirement, it should be possible for the
>>> process to get an arbitrary write primitive by creating a new
>>> userns+mountns and then bind-mounting / underneath the directory.
>> Doesn't this need a write perm to a
>> directory? In his case this is not a threat,
>> because you are not supposed to have a
>> write perm to that dir. OA2_CRED_INHERIT
>> is the only way to write.
> No, bind-mounts don't require write permission.

Oh, isn't this a problem by itself?
Yes, in this case my patch needs to
avoid RESOLVE_NO_XDEV, but I find this a harsh restriction. Maybe the 
bind mount was done before a priv drop? Then it is fully legitimate. 
Anyway, I don't know if I should work on it or not, as there seem to be 
no indication of a possible acceptance.