linux-kernel - Re: [RFC PATCH net-next v8 02/14] net: page_pool: create hooks for custom page providers

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Date: Wed, 8 May 2024 08:51:17 -0700
From: Christoph Hellwig <hch@...radead.org>
To: Pavel Begunkov <asml.silence@...il.com>
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Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH net-next v8 02/14] net: page_pool: create hooks for
 custom page providers

On Wed, May 08, 2024 at 12:35:52PM +0100, Pavel Begunkov wrote:
> > all these, because e.g. ttm internally does have a page pool because
> > depending upon allocator, that's indeed beneficial. Other drm drivers have
> > more buffer-based concepts for opportunistically memory around, usually
> > by marking buffers that are just kept as cache as purgeable (which is a
> > concept that goes all the way to opengl/vulkan).
> 
> Because in this case it solves nothing and helps with nothing, quite
> the opposite. Just as well we can ask why NVMe doesn't wrap user pages
> into a dmabuf while doing IO.

You seem to confused totally unrelated things.

For short-term pins, that is pin_user_pages without FOLL_LONGTERM there
would never be any point in using a dmabuf as the pin is transient.  For
long-term pin dmabufs in the block layer absolutely make sense, and I
wish io_uring would have just implemented them from the start instead of
the current fixed buffers that are not quite as useful by not
pre-mapping DMA and not supporting P2P.