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Date: Sat, 11 May 2024 15:56:55 +0000
From: "Shen, Yijun" <Yijun.Shen@...l.com>
To: "Limonciello, Mario" <mario.limonciello@....com>,
Lyndon Sanche
<lsanche@...deno.ca>
CC: "pali@...nel.org" <pali@...nel.org>, "W_Armin@....de" <W_Armin@....de>,
"srinivas.pandruvada@...ux.intel.com" <srinivas.pandruvada@...ux.intel.com>,
"ilpo.jarvinen@...ux.intel.com" <ilpo.jarvinen@...ux.intel.com>,
"lkp@...el.com" <lkp@...el.com>, Hans de Goede <hdegoede@...hat.com>,
Matthew
Garrett <mjg59@...f.ucam.org>,
Jonathan Corbet <corbet@....net>,
Heiner
Kallweit <hkallweit1@...il.com>,
Vegard Nossum <vegard.nossum@...cle.com>,
"platform-driver-x86@...r.kernel.org" <platform-driver-x86@...r.kernel.org>,
"linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
Dell Client
Kernel <Dell.Client.Kernel@...l.com>
Subject: RE: [PATCH v5] platform/x86: dell-laptop: Implement platform_profile
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Limonciello, Mario <mario.limonciello@....com>
> Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2024 11:13 PM
> To: Shen, Yijun <Yijun_Shen@...l.com>; Lyndon Sanche
> <lsanche@...deno.ca>
> Cc: pali@...nel.org; W_Armin@....de;
> srinivas.pandruvada@...ux.intel.com; ilpo.jarvinen@...ux.intel.com;
> lkp@...el.com; Hans de Goede <hdegoede@...hat.com>; Matthew Garrett
> <mjg59@...f.ucam.org>; Jonathan Corbet <corbet@....net>; Heiner Kallweit
> <hkallweit1@...il.com>; Vegard Nossum <vegard.nossum@...cle.com>;
> platform-driver-x86@...r.kernel.org; linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org; Dell Client
> Kernel <Dell.Client.Kernel@...l.com>
> Subject: Re: [PATCH v5] platform/x86: dell-laptop: Implement platform_profile
>
>
> [EXTERNAL EMAIL]
>
>
>
> On 5/11/2024 10:05 AM, Shen, Yijun wrote:
> >
> > Internal Use - Confidential
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Mario Limonciello <mario.limonciello@....com>
> >> Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2024 11:53 PM
> >> To: Shen, Yijun <Yijun_Shen@...l.com>; Lyndon Sanche
> >> <lsanche@...deno.ca>
> >> Cc: pali@...nel.org; W_Armin@....de;
> >> srinivas.pandruvada@...ux.intel.com; ilpo.jarvinen@...ux.intel.com;
> >> lkp@...el.com; Hans de Goede <hdegoede@...hat.com>; Matthew
> Garrett
> >> <mjg59@...f.ucam.org>; Jonathan Corbet <corbet@....net>; Heiner
> >> Kallweit <hkallweit1@...il.com>; Vegard Nossum
> >> <vegard.nossum@...cle.com>; platform-driver-x86@...r.kernel.org;
> >> linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org; Dell Client Kernel
> >> <Dell.Client.Kernel@...l.com>
> >> Subject: Re: RE: [PATCH v5] platform/x86: dell-laptop: Implement
> >> platform_profile
> >>
> >>
> >> [EXTERNAL EMAIL]
> >>
> >> On 5/8/2024 09:24, Shen, Yijun wrote:
> >>> Hi Lyndon,
> >>>
> >>> Thanks for working on this patch.
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>> Dell side has an initial testing with this patch on some laptops,
> >>> it looks
> >> good. While changing the platform profile:
> >>> 1. The corresponding USTT option in BIOS will be changed.
> >>> 2. thermald will not be impacted. The related PSVT and ITMT will be
> loaded.
> >>> Some Dell DTs does not have the USTT, Dell'll have a check if
> >>> nothing is
> >> broken.
> >>
> >> Hi Alex!
> >>
> >> Have you had a check both on both your AMD laptops and workstations
> >> too, or just the Intel ones? I think it would be good to make sure
> >> it's getting the correct experience in both cases.
> >>
> > Hi Mario,
> >
> > I've a check for this, for both laptop and workstation, the dell_laptop
> module will not be loaded. So, AMD platform will not be impacted by this
> patch series.
> > Follow is one example output with workstation.
> > #lsmod | grep dell
> > dell_wmi 28672 0
> > dell_smbios 32768 1 dell_wmi
> > dcdbas 20480 1 dell_smbios
> > dell_wmi_descriptor 20480 2 dell_wmi,dell_smbios
> > sparse_keymap 12288 1 dell_wmi
> > ledtrig_audio 12288 3 snd_ctl_led,snd_hda_codec_generic,dell_wmi
> > video 73728 2 dell_wmi,nvidia_modeset
> > wmi 40960 5
> video,dell_wmi,wmi_bmof,dell_smbios,dell_wmi_descriptor
> >
>
> Ah; right that makes sense. In that case, is dell-laptop even the right place for
> this patch series? I would think the same policies for the platform profile
> should be able to apply to desktop/workstation.
>
> The v6 of this series would block smbios-thermal-ctl from working on a
> workstation too.
>
> >>>
> >>> Additional, with this patch, follow behavior is found:
> >>> 1. For example, the platform profile is quiet.
> >>> 2. Reboot the system and change the USTT to performance.
> >>> 3. Boot to desktop, the platform profile is "quiet", the USTT
> >>> will be
> >> changed back to "quiet".
> >>> This looks like not a proper user experience. The platform
> >>> profile should
> >> honor the BIOS setting, aka, the platform profile should be switched
> >> to "performance".
> >>>
> >>
> >> I agree, this sounds like the initial profile needs to be read from
> >> the BIOS settings too.
> >>
> >> Furthermore I wanted to ask is there also a WMI setting that
> >> corresponds to this that dell-wmi-sysman offers?
> > Yes, Mario, you're right. This thermal setting could also be toggled by dell-
> wmi-sysman.
> > But, for the Dell consumer AMD laptops, like Alienware, the BIOS is another
> variant which is different with the workstation one.
> > With this variant BIOS, there is no USTT and also no dell_wmi/dell-wmi-
> sysman.
> >
> >> I'm wondering if both should be probed in case the SMBIOS one goes
> away one day.
> > Yep, I think this is a good suggestion.
> >
>
> Great! Although something I wonder is if the policy when changed with dell-
> wmi-sysman is immediate or requires a reboot. A lot of the settings in there
> aren't effective until after a reboot.
>
> If this is one of them then it might not be a good idea to make it work for
> both.
Hi Mario,
Just have a check, the check steps are:
1. stop the thermald
2. run the stress test
3. Toggle the thermal setting between UltraPerformance and Quiet via dell-wmi-sysman
4. Check the CPU FAN speed
The system reboot is not needed, the CPU fan speed changes immediately.
A screen recorder here: https://dell.box.com/s/p2bhd2b6cv8z5buk9eao3bosgrrp1lf9
Thanks
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