Date: Sat, 11 May 2024 16:12:59 +0000
From: "Shen, Yijun" <Yijun.Shen@...l.com>
To: Lyndon Sanche <lsanche@...deno.ca>
CC: Mario Limonciello <mario.limonciello@....com>,
        Pali Rohár <pali@...nel.org>,
        Armin Wolf
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Subject: RE: [PATCH v5] platform/x86: dell-laptop: Implement platform_profile


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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lyndon Sanche <lsanche@...deno.ca>
> Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2024 11:54 PM
> To: Shen, Yijun <Yijun_Shen@...l.com>
> Cc: Mario Limonciello <mario.limonciello@....com>; Pali Rohár
> <pali@...nel.org>; Armin Wolf <W_Armin@....de>;
> srinivas.pandruvada@...ux.intel.com; Ilpo Järvinen
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> Jonathan Corbet <corbet@....net>; Heiner Kallweit
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> Dell Client Kernel <Dell.Client.Kernel@...l.com>
> Subject: RE: [PATCH v5] platform/x86: dell-laptop: Implement platform_profile
>
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> [EXTERNAL EMAIL]
>
>
>
> On May 11, 2024 9:22:23 a.m. MDT, "Shen, Yijun" <Yijun.Shen@...l.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >Internal Use - Confidential
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Lyndon Sanche <lsanche@...deno.ca>
> >> Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2024 9:49 AM
> >> To: Shen, Yijun <Yijun_Shen@...l.com>
> >> Cc: Mario Limonciello <mario.limonciello@....com>; Pali Rohár
> >> <pali@...nel.org>; Armin Wolf <W_Armin@....de>;
> >> srinivas.pandruvada@...ux.intel.com; Ilpo Järvinen
> >> <ilpo.jarvinen@...ux.intel.com>; kernel test robot <lkp@...el.com>;
> >> Hans de Goede <hdegoede@...hat.com>; Matthew Garrett
> >> <mjg59@...f.ucam.org>; Jonathan Corbet <corbet@....net>; Heiner
> >> Kallweit <hkallweit1@...il.com>; Vegard Nossum
> >> <vegard.nossum@...cle.com>; platform-driver-x86@...r.kernel.org;
> LKML
> >> <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>; Dell Client Kernel
> >> <Dell.Client.Kernel@...l.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [PATCH v5] platform/x86: dell-laptop: Implement
> >> platform_profile
> >>
> >>
> >> [EXTERNAL EMAIL]
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, May 9 2024 at 09:10:51 AM -06:00:00, Lyndon Sanche
> >> <lsanche@...deno.ca> wrote:
> >> > On Wed, May 8, 2024, at 8:24 AM, Shen, Yijun wrote:
> >> >>  Hi Lyndon,
> >> >>
> >> >>   Thanks for working on this patch.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>   Dell side has an initial testing with this patch on some
> >> >> laptops, it  looks good. While changing the platform profile:
> >> >>  1. The corresponding USTT option in BIOS will be changed.
> >> >>  2. thermald will not be impacted. The related PSVT and ITMT will
> >> >> be loaded.
> >> >>   Some Dell DTs does not have the USTT, Dell'll have a check if
> >> >> nothing  is broken.
> >> >>
> >> >>    Additional, with this patch, follow behavior is found:
> >> >>   1. For example, the platform profile is quiet.
> >> >>   2. Reboot the system and change the USTT to performance.
> >> >>   3. Boot to desktop, the platform profile is "quiet", the USTT
> >> >> will be  changed back to "quiet".
> >> >>   This looks like not a proper user experience. The platform
> >> >> profile should honor the BIOS setting, aka, the platform profile
> >> >> should be switched to "performance".
> >> >
> >> > Hello:
> >> >
> >> > Thank you for your email. This is definitely undesirable behaviour,
> >> > I will have a look at the code to see why this is happening. Does
> >> > it always revert to quiet on boot, or always the mode that you had
> >> > switched to prior to reboot?
> >> >
> >> > Do you happen to have power-profiles-daemon or something similar
> >> > running? My understanding is it remembers profiles across reboots,
> >> > this could potentially also revert the profile back to what it was.
> >> > See this release for details:
> >> > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/upower/p
> >> > owe
> >> > r-profiles-daemon/-/releases/0.9.0__;!!LpKI!jUAEHb-9foumkcmPlEKD6tn
> >> > QrZ sqjB1sXdPDsYvH2fJ-
> gPV6G35MUtDW4q3xhlJ4IeLcIgmVpb3ztXqaOg8$
> >> > [gitlab[.]freedesktop[.]org]
> >> >
> >> > I will assume there is a bug in my code at this point. I will test
> >> > with and without ppd running on my system to see if it changes
> >> > across reboots.
> >> >
> >> > Are USTT settings exposed in your BIOS configuration menu? On my
> >> > laptop they are not and I have to use smbios-thermal-ctl.
> >> >
> >> > Thank you,
> >> >
> >> > Lyndon
> >>
> >> Hi Yijun:
> >>
> >> I tested this on my computer (XPS 9560). I do not have access to the
> >> USTT settings in the BIOS screen so to substitute that, I booted
> >> without the patch and set the USTT manually using smbios-thermal-ctl.
> >> Here are my findings:
> >>
> >> Scenario #1: Without power-profiles-daemon (ppd) running
> >>
> >> 1. Boot with patch, set platform_profile to quiet 2. Boot without
> >> patch applied (no platform_profile)
> >>  - smbios-thermal-ctl confirms USTT is set to quiet
> >>  - use smbios-thermal-ctl to set USTT to performance
> >>  - confirm set to performance
> >> 3. Boot with patch again
> >>  - platform_profile is set to performance
> >>
> >> Scenario #2: With ppd running
> >> 1. Boot with patch, set platform_profile to performance with ppd
> >>  - Confirm platform_profile is performance 2. Boot without patch
> >> applied (no
> >> platform_profile)
> >>  - smbios-thermal-ctl confirms USTT is set to performance
> >>  - ppd reverts to balanced (only controlling intel_pstate in this
> >> case)
> >>  - use smbios-thermal-ctl to set USTT to quiet
> >>  - confirm set to quiet
> >> 3. Boot with patch again
> >>  - platform_profile and ppd is set to performance
> >>
> >> In my case, the setting in the smbios is honored if it was switched
> >> with another method. When using a userspace program that manipulates
> >> the platform_profile, the program seems to remember the previous
> >> state and switch to that.
> >>
> >> So I do not think there is a bug in this patch related to this issue,
> >> at least in my case. Please let me know if you have any questions.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> Lyndon
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >Hi Lyndon,
> >
> > I've made a video recorder of the issue:
> >
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://dell.box.com/s/3f3znz1z8c6htbcll9juj6ty
> yu0zvvut__;!!LpKI!nHHxFbxzG-rJX_KZsebMC7ZcJU0WhNhkpXn-pk6nu-sUF38-
> RXz6x3YkALgzS4jnUP9TIWIu4mX_6cSDbwQ$ [dell[.]box[.]com] My test
> environment is that I freshly installed the Fedora 40 and will not do any online
> updates. Then install the kernel with the v5 patch applied.
> >
> > XPS 9560 is a pretty old system which is RTS with 2017. No USTT setting in
> the BIOS is expected.
> > I've a check that the Dell system, at least shipped from 2022, the USTT
> setting will be valid in the BIOS. The system used in above link, it is Latitude
> 7350 which is shipped by 2024 April.
> >
> > I think the key point to duplicate of this issue that, the USTT needs to be
> changed under BIOS but not under the Linux OS.
> >
> >Thanks
> >
> >
>
>
> Thanks for the video.
>
> Fedora 40 has power-profiles-daemon enabled by default AFAIK. This would
> be changing the platform profile at load to match the last known state.
>
> Are you able to rerun this test with PPD disabled? Just in case it is a difference
> between setting it in BIOS and smbios-thermal-ctl.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Lyndon

 If disable the PPD, the issue is gone.

Thanks

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