linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH v4] time/tick-sched: idle load balancing when nohz

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Message-ID: <20240516144504.GL22557@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net>
Date: Thu, 16 May 2024 16:45:04 +0200
From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@...radead.org>
To: Frederic Weisbecker <frederic@...nel.org>
Cc: Yun Levi <ppbuk5246@...il.com>, Joel Fernandes <joel@...lfernandes.org>,
	Vineeth Pillai <vineeth@...byteword.org>,
	Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@...aro.org>,
	Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@....com>,
	anna-maria@...utronix.de, mingo@...nel.org, tglx@...utronix.de,
	Markus.Elfring@....de, linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4] time/tick-sched: idle load balancing when nohz_full
 cpu becomes idle.

On Thu, May 16, 2024 at 04:23:31PM +0200, Frederic Weisbecker wrote:
> On Thu, May 16, 2024 at 04:00:03PM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > > If I make you annoyed I'm sorry in advance but let me clarify please.
> > > 
> > > 1. In case of none-HK-TICK-housekeeping cpu (a.k.a nohz_full cpu),
> > >     It should be on the null_domain. right?
> > > 
> > > 2. If (1) is true, when none-HK-TICK is set, should it set none-HK-DOMAIN
> > >     to prevent on any sched_domain (cpusets filter out none-HK-DOMAIN cpu)?
> > > 
> > > 3. If (1) is true, Is HK_SCHED still necessary? There seems to be no use case
> > >     and the check for this can be replaced by on_null_domain().
> > 
> > I've no idea about all those HK knobs, it's all insane if you ask me.
> > 
> > Frederic, afaict all the HK_ goo in kernel/sched/fair.c is total
> > nonsense, can you please explain?
> 
> Yes. Lemme unearth this patch:
> https://lore.kernel.org/all/20230203232409.163847-2-frederic@kernel.org/

AFAICT we need more cleanups.

> Because all we need now is:
> 
> _ HK_TYPE_KERNEL_NOISE: nohz_full= or isolcpus=nohz
> _ HK_TYPE_DOMAIN: isolcpus=domain (or classic isolcpus= alone)

What does this do?

> _ HK_TYPE_MANAGED_IRQ: isolcpus=managed_irq
> 
> And that's it. Then let's remove HK_TYPE_SCHED that is unused. And then
> lemme comment the HK_TYPE_* uses within sched/* within the same
> patchset.

Please, I find this MISC and DOMAIN stuff confusing, wth does it do? It
can't possibly be right.

> Just a question, correct me if I'm wrong, we don't want nohz_full= to ever
> take the idle load balancer duty (this is what HK_TYPE_MISC prevents in
> find_new_ilb) because the nohz_full CPU going back to userspace concurrently
> doesn't want to be disturbed by a loose IPI telling it to do idle balancing. But
> we still want nohz_full CPUs to be part of nohz.idle_cpus_mask so that the
> idle balancing can be performed on them by a non isolated CPU. Right?

I'm confused, none of that makes sense. If you're part of a
load-balancer, you're part of a load-balancer, no ifs buts or other
nonsense.

idle load balancer is no different from regular load balancing.

Fundamentally, you can't disable the tick if you're part of a
load-balance group, the load-balancer needs the tick.

The only possible way to use nohz_full is to not be part of a
load-balancer, and the only way that is so is by having (lots of) single
CPU partitions.