linux-kernel - Re: [PATCHv6 bpf-next 0/9] uprobe: uretprobe speed up

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Message-ID: <CAADnVQ+2Q1992e9mRtWOavHfqKsFUxPp4f6MAAJg90TK_KTpew@mail.gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 21 May 2024 13:57:33 -0700
From: Alexei Starovoitov <alexei.starovoitov@...il.com>
To: Deepak Gupta <debug@...osinc.com>
Cc: Jiri Olsa <jolsa@...nel.org>, Steven Rostedt <rostedt@...dmis.org>, 
	Masami Hiramatsu <mhiramat@...nel.org>, Oleg Nesterov <oleg@...hat.com>, 
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	Andy Lutomirski <luto@...nel.org>, "Edgecombe, Rick P" <rick.p.edgecombe@...el.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCHv6 bpf-next 0/9] uprobe: uretprobe speed up

On Tue, May 21, 2024 at 1:49 PM Deepak Gupta <debug@...osinc.com> wrote:
>
> On Tue, May 21, 2024 at 12:48:16PM +0200, Jiri Olsa wrote:
> >hi,
> >as part of the effort on speeding up the uprobes [0] coming with
> >return uprobe optimization by using syscall instead of the trap
> >on the uretprobe trampoline.
>
> I understand this provides an optimization on x86. I believe primary reason
> is syscall is straight-line microcode and short sequence while trap delivery
> still does all the GDT / IDT and segmentation checks and it makes delivery
> of the trap slow.
>
> So doing syscall improves that. Although it seems x86 is going to get rid of
> that as part of FRED [1, 2]. And linux kernel support for FRED is already upstream [2].
> So I am imagining x86 hardware already exists with FRED support.
>
> On other architectures, I believe trap delivery for breakpoint instruction
> is same as syscall instruction.
>
> Given that x86 trap delivery is pretty much going following the suit here and
> intend to make trap delivery cost similar to syscall delivery.
>
> Sorry for being buzzkill here but ...
> Is it worth introducing this syscall which otherwise has no use on other arches
> and x86 (and x86 kernel) has already taken steps to match trap delivery latency with
> syscall latency would have similar cost?
>
> Did you do any study of this on FRED enabled x86 CPUs?

afaik CPUs with FRED do not exist on the market and it's
not clear when they will be available.
And when they finally will be on the shelves
the overhead of FRED vs int3 would still have to be measured.
int3 with FRED might still be higher than syscall with FRED.

>
> [1] - https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/content-details/780121/flexible-return-and-event-delivery-fred-specification.html
> [2] - https://docs.kernel.org/arch/x86/x86_64/fred.html
>
> >
> >The speed up depends on instruction type that uprobe is installed
> >and depends on specific HW type, please check patch 1 for details.
> >