linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH v10 4/6] media: uvcvideo: Allow hw clock updates with buffers not full

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Message-ID: <20240612082040.GD28989@pendragon.ideasonboard.com>
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2024 11:20:40 +0300
From: Laurent Pinchart <laurent.pinchart@...asonboard.com>
To: Ricardo Ribalda <ribalda@...omium.org>
Cc: Tomasz Figa <tfiga@...omium.org>,
	Mauro Carvalho Chehab <mchehab@...nel.org>,
	linux-media@...r.kernel.org, linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org,
	"hn.chen" <hn.chen@...plusit.com>,
	Hans Verkuil <hverkuil@...all.nl>,
	Sergey Senozhatsky <senozhatsky@...omium.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v10 4/6] media: uvcvideo: Allow hw clock updates with
 buffers not full

On Wed, Jun 12, 2024 at 09:47:26AM +0200, Ricardo Ribalda wrote:
> On Wed, 12 Jun 2024 at 09:44, Laurent Pinchart
> <laurent.pinchart@...asonboard.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, Jun 12, 2024 at 12:28:56PM +0900, Tomasz Figa wrote:
> > > On Mon, Jun 10, 2024 at 8:43 PM Laurent Pinchart wrote:
> > > > On Wed, May 29, 2024 at 05:03:08PM +0900, Tomasz Figa wrote:
> > > > > On Sat, Mar 23, 2024 at 10:48:05AM +0000, Ricardo Ribalda wrote:
> > > > > > With UVC 1.5 we get as little as one clock sample per frame. Which means
> > > > > > that it takes 32 frames to move from the software timestamp to the
> > > > > > hardware timestamp method.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This results in abrupt changes in the timestamping after 32 frames (~1
> > > > > > second), resulting in noticeable artifacts when used for encoding.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > With this patch we modify the update algorithm to work with whatever
> > > > > > amount of values are available.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Tested-by: HungNien Chen <hn.chen@...plusit.com>
> > > > > > Reviewed-by: Sergey Senozhatsky <senozhatsky@...omium.org>
> > > > > > Reviewed-by: Laurent Pinchart <laurent.pinchart@...asonboard.com>
> > > > > > Signed-off-by: Ricardo Ribalda <ribalda@...omium.org>
> > > > > > ---
> > > > > >  drivers/media/usb/uvc/uvc_video.c | 16 ++++++++++++++--
> > > > > >  1 file changed, 14 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > diff --git a/drivers/media/usb/uvc/uvc_video.c b/drivers/media/usb/uvc/uvc_video.c
> > > > > > index d6ca383f643e3..af25b9f1b53fe 100644
> > > > > > --- a/drivers/media/usb/uvc/uvc_video.c
> > > > > > +++ b/drivers/media/usb/uvc/uvc_video.c
> > > > > > @@ -768,10 +768,10 @@ void uvc_video_clock_update(struct uvc_streaming *stream,
> > > > > >
> > > > > >     spin_lock_irqsave(&clock->lock, flags);
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -   if (clock->count < clock->size)
> > > > > > +   if (clock->count < 2)
> > > > > >             goto done;
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -   first = &clock->samples[clock->head];
> > > > > > +   first = &clock->samples[(clock->head - clock->count + clock->size) % clock->size];
> > > > > >     last = &clock->samples[(clock->head - 1 + clock->size) % clock->size];
> > > > > >
> > > > > >     /* First step, PTS to SOF conversion. */
> > > > > > @@ -786,6 +786,18 @@ void uvc_video_clock_update(struct uvc_streaming *stream,
> > > > > >     if (y2 < y1)
> > > > > >             y2 += 2048 << 16;
> > > > > >
> > > > > > +   /*
> > > > > > +    * Have at least 1/4 of a second of timestamps before we
> > > > > > +    * try to do any calculation. Otherwise we do not have enough
> > > > > > +    * precision. This value was determined by running Android CTS
> > > > > > +    * on different devices.
> > > > > > +    *
> > > > > > +    * dev_sof runs at 1KHz, and we have a fixed point precision of
> > > > > > +    * 16 bits.
> > > > > > +    */
> > > > > > +   if ((y2 - y1) < ((1000 / 4) << 16))
> > > > > > +           goto done;
> > > > >
> > > > > Not a comment for this patch directly, but...
> > > > >
> > > > > This kind of makes me wonder if we don't want to have some documentation
> > > > > that specifies what the userspace can expect from the timestamps, so
> > > > > that this isn't changed randomly in the future breaking what was fixed
> > > > > by this patch.
> > > >
> > > > I think timestamp handling should really be moved to userspace. It will
> > > > be easier to handle with floating-point arithmetic there. That would
> > > > have been difficult to manage for applications a while ago, but now that
> > > > we have libcamera, we could implement it there. This isn't high on my
> > > > todo list though.
> > >
> > > While indeed that would probably be a better way to handle the complex
> > > logic if we designed the driver today, we already have userspace that
> > > expects the timestamps to be handled correctly in the kernel. I
> > > suspect moving it to the userspace would require some core V4L2
> > > changes to define a new timestamp handling mode, where multiple raw
> > > hardware timestamps are exposed to the userspace, instead of the high
> > > level system monotonic one.
> >
> > The uvcvideo driver already supports exposing the packet headers to
> > userspace through a metadata capture device, so I think we have all the
> > components we need. The only missing thing would be the implementation
> > in libcamera :-)
> 
> We would still have to duplicate the quirk information in libcamera
> and the kernel.

Sure, and there will be some level of code duplication. My point is that
I believe it can be done in userspace, and while small changes to the
clock handling on the kernel side are fine, if we wanted to change the
code significantly I think it would be better moved to userspace. I
don't have plans to work on this, and I'm not requesting anyone to do so
either at this point.

-- 
Regards,

Laurent Pinchart