linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH 00/14] replace call_rcu by kfree_rcu for simple kmem_cache

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Message-ID: <5c8b2883-962f-431f-b2d3-3632755de3b0@paulmck-laptop>
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2024 09:48:49 -0700
From: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@...nel.org>
To: Uladzislau Rezki <urezki@...il.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 00/14] replace call_rcu by kfree_rcu for simple
 kmem_cache_free callback

On Tue, Jun 18, 2024 at 11:31:00AM +0200, Uladzislau Rezki wrote:
> > On 6/17/24 8:42 PM, Uladzislau Rezki wrote:
> > >> +
> > >> +	s = container_of(work, struct kmem_cache, async_destroy_work);
> > >> +
> > >> +	// XXX use the real kmem_cache_free_barrier() or similar thing here
> > > It implies that we need to introduce kfree_rcu_barrier(), a new API, which i
> > > wanted to avoid initially.
> > 
> > I wanted to avoid new API or flags for kfree_rcu() users and this would
> > be achieved. The barrier is used internally so I don't consider that an
> > API to avoid. How difficult is the implementation is another question,
> > depending on how the current batching works. Once (if) we have sheaves
> > proven to work and move kfree_rcu() fully into SLUB, the barrier might
> > also look different and hopefully easier. So maybe it's not worth to
> > invest too much into that barrier and just go for the potentially
> > longer, but easier to implement?
> > 
> Right. I agree here. If the cache is not empty, OK, we just defer the
> work, even we can use a big 21 seconds delay, after that we just "warn"
> if it is still not empty and leave it as it is, i.e. emit a warning and
> we are done.
> 
> Destroying the cache is not something that must happen right away. 

OK, I have to ask...

Suppose that the cache is created and destroyed by a module and
init/cleanup time, respectively.  Suppose that this module is rmmod'ed
then very quickly insmod'ed.

Do we need to fail the insmod if the kmem_cache has not yet been fully
cleaned up?  If not, do we have two versions of the same kmem_cache in
/proc during the overlap time?

							Thanx, Paul

> > > Since you do it asynchronous can we just repeat
> > > and wait until it a cache is furry freed?
> > 
> > The problem is we want to detect the cases when it's not fully freed
> > because there was an actual read. So at some point we'd need to stop the
> > repeats because we know there can no longer be any kfree_rcu()'s in
> > flight since the kmem_cache_destroy() was called.
> > 
> Agree. As noted above, we can go with 21 seconds(as an example) interval
> and just perform destroy(without repeating).
> 
> --
> Uladzislau Rezki