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Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2024 09:10:07 +0200
From: Maxime Ripard <mripard@...nel.org>
To: Alex Deucher <alexdeucher@...il.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 8/8] drm/amdgpu: Call drm_atomic_helper_shutdown() at
 shutdown time

Hi,

On Wed, Jun 19, 2024 at 09:53:12AM GMT, Alex Deucher wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 19, 2024 at 9:50 AM Alex Deucher <alexdeucher@...il.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, Jun 18, 2024 at 7:53 PM Doug Anderson <dianders@...omium.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > On Tue, Jun 18, 2024 at 3:00 PM Alex Deucher <alexdeucher@...il.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Jun 18, 2024 at 5:40 PM Doug Anderson <dianders@...omium.org> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi,
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Mon, Jun 17, 2024 at 8:01 AM Alex Deucher <alexdeucher@...il.com> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Wed, Jun 12, 2024 at 6:37 PM Douglas Anderson <dianders@...omium.org> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Based on grepping through the source code this driver appears to be
> > > > > > > missing a call to drm_atomic_helper_shutdown() at system shutdown
> > > > > > > time. Among other things, this means that if a panel is in use that it
> > > > > > > won't be cleanly powered off at system shutdown time.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The fact that we should call drm_atomic_helper_shutdown() in the case
> > > > > > > of OS shutdown/restart comes straight out of the kernel doc "driver
> > > > > > > instance overview" in drm_drv.c.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Suggested-by: Maxime Ripard <mripard@...nel.org>
> > > > > > > Cc: Alex Deucher <alexander.deucher@....com>
> > > > > > > Cc: Christian König <christian.koenig@....com>
> > > > > > > Cc: Xinhui Pan <Xinhui.Pan@....com>
> > > > > > > Signed-off-by: Douglas Anderson <dianders@...omium.org>
> > > > > > > ---
> > > > > > > This commit is only compile-time tested.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ...and further, I'd say that this patch is more of a plea for help
> > > > > > > than a patch I think is actually right. I'm _fairly_ certain that
> > > > > > > drm/amdgpu needs this call at shutdown time but the logic is a bit
> > > > > > > hard for me to follow. I'd appreciate if anyone who actually knows
> > > > > > > what this should look like could illuminate me, or perhaps even just
> > > > > > > post a patch themselves!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'm not sure this patch makes sense or not.  The driver doesn't really
> > > > > > do a formal tear down in its shutdown routine, it just quiesces the
> > > > > > hardware.  What are the actual requirements of the shutdown function?
> > > > > > In the past when we did a full driver tear down in shutdown, it
> > > > > > delayed the shutdown sequence and users complained.
> > > > >
> > > > > The "inspiration" for this patch is to handle panels properly.
> > > > > Specifically, panels often have several power/enable signals going to
> > > > > them and often have requirements that these signals are powered off in
> > > > > the proper order with the proper delays between them. While we can't
> > > > > always do so when the system crashes / reboots in an uncontrolled way,
> > > > > panel manufacturers / HW Engineers get upset if we don't power things
> > > > > off properly during an orderly shutdown/reboot. When panels are
> > > > > powered off badly it can cause garbage on the screen and, so I've been
> > > > > told, can even cause long term damage to the panels over time.
> > > > >
> > > > > In Linux, some panel drivers have tried to ensure a proper poweroff of
> > > > > the panel by handling the shutdown() call themselves. However, this is
> > > > > ugly and panel maintainers want panel drivers to stop doing it. We
> > > > > have removed the code doing this from most panels now [1]. Instead the
> > > > > assumption is that the DRM modeset drivers should be calling
> > > > > drm_atomic_helper_shutdown() which will make sure panels get an
> > > > > orderly shutdown.
> > > > >
> > > > > For a lot more details, see the cover letter [2] which then contains
> > > > > links to even more discussions about the topic.
> > > > >
> > > > > [1] https://lore.kernel.org/r/20240605002401.2848541-1-dianders@chromium.org
> > > > > [2] https://lore.kernel.org/r/20240612222435.3188234-1-dianders@chromium.org
> > > >
> > > > I don't think it's an issue.  We quiesce the hardware as if we were
> > > > about to suspend the system (e.g., S3).  For the display hardware we
> > > > call drm_atomic_helper_suspend() as part of that sequence.
> > >
> > > OK. It's no skin off my teeth and we can drop this patch if you're
> > > convinced it's not needed. From the point of view of someone who has
> > > no experience with this driver it seems weird to me that it would use
> > > drm_atomic_helper_suspend() at shutdown time instead of the documented
> > > drm_atomic_helper_shutdown(), but if it works for everyone then I'm
> > > not gonna complain.
> >
> > I think the problem is that it is not clear exactly what the
> > expectations are around the PCI shutdown callback.  The documentation
> > says:
> >
> > "Hook into reboot_notifier_list (kernel/sys.c). Intended to stop any
> > idling DMA operations. Useful for enabling wake-on-lan (NIC) or
> > changing the power state of a device before reboot. e.g.
> > drivers/net/e100.c."
> 
> Arguably, there is no requirement to even touch the display hardware
> at all.  In theory you could just leave the display hardware as is in
> the current state.  The system will either be rebooting or powering
> down anyway.

I think it mostly boils down to a cultural mismatch :)

Doug works on panel for ARM systems, where devices need (and need to
handle) much more resources than what's typical on a system with an AMD
GPU.

So, for the kind of hardware Doug usually deals with, we definitely need
the shutdown hook to make sure the regulators, GPIOs, etc. supplying the
panel are properly shutdown.

And panels usually tied to AMD GPUs probably don't need any of that.

Maxime

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