linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH] selftests/mm: Introduce a test program to assess swap entry allocation for thp

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Message-ID: <CANeU7QnURKHyz8c5KzfdCW1fFCcsJw9HbTAL2d4L0RP6hiCoMA@mail.gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2024 01:50:35 -0700
From: Chris Li <chrisl@...nel.org>
To: Barry Song <21cnbao@...il.com>
Cc: Ryan Roberts <ryan.roberts@....com>, David Hildenbrand <david@...hat.com>, akpm@...ux-foundation.org, 
	shuah@...nel.org, linux-mm@...ck.org, hughd@...gle.com, 
	kaleshsingh@...gle.com, kasong@...cent.com, linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, 
	ying.huang@...el.com, linux-kselftest@...r.kernel.org, 
	Barry Song <v-songbaohua@...o.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] selftests/mm: Introduce a test program to assess swap
 entry allocation for thp_swapout

On Fri, Jun 21, 2024 at 12:47 AM Barry Song <21cnbao@...il.com> wrote:
>
> On Fri, Jun 21, 2024 at 7:25 PM Ryan Roberts <ryan.roberts@....com> wrote:
> >
> > On 20/06/2024 12:34, David Hildenbrand wrote:
> > > On 20.06.24 11:04, Ryan Roberts wrote:
> > >> On 20/06/2024 01:26, Barry Song wrote:
> > >>> From: Barry Song <v-songbaohua@...o.com>
> > >>>
> > >>> Both Ryan and Chris have been utilizing the small test program to aid
> > >>> in debugging and identifying issues with swap entry allocation. While
> > >>> a real or intricate workload might be more suitable for assessing the
> > >>> correctness and effectiveness of the swap allocation policy, a small
> > >>> test program presents a simpler means of understanding the problem and
> > >>> initially verifying the improvements being made.
> > >>>
> > >>> Let's endeavor to integrate it into the self-test suite. Although it
> > >>> presently only accommodates 64KB and 4KB, I'm optimistic that we can
> > >>> expand its capabilities to support multiple sizes and simulate more
> > >>> complex systems in the future as required.
> > >>
> > >> I'll try to summarize the thread with Huang Ying by suggesting this test program
> > >> is "neccessary but not sufficient" to exhaustively test the mTHP swap-out path.
> > >> I've certainly found it useful and think it would be a valuable addition to the
> > >> tree.
> > >>
> > >> That said, I'm not convinced it is a selftest; IMO a selftest should provide a
> > >> clear pass/fail result against some criteria and must be able to be run
> > >> automatically by (e.g.) a CI system.
> > >
> > > Likely we should then consider moving other such performance-related thingies
> > > out of the selftests?
> >
> > Yes, that would get my vote. But of the 4 tests you mentioned that use
> > clock_gettime(), it looks like transhuge-stress is the only one that doesn't
> > have a pass/fail result, so is probably the only candidate for moving.
> >
> > The others either use the times as a timeout and determines failure if the
> > action didn't occur within the timeout (e.g. ksm_tests.c) or use it to add some
> > supplemental performance information to an otherwise functionality-oriented test.
>
> Thank you very much, Ryan. I think you've found a better home for this
> tool . I will
> send v2, relocating it to tools/mm and adding a function to swap in
> either the whole
> mTHPs or a portion of mTHPs by "-a"(aligned swapin).
>
> So basically, we will have
>
> 1. Use MADV_PAGEPUT for rapid swap-out, putting the swap allocation code under
> high exercise in a short time.
>
> 2. Use MADV_DONTNEED to simulate the behavior of libc and Java heap in freeing
> memory, as well as for munmap, app exits, or OOM killer scenarios. This ensures
> new mTHP is always generated, released or swapped out, similar to the behavior
> on a PC or Android phone where many applications are frequently started and
> terminated.

Will this cover the case that the ratio of order 0 and order 4 swap
requests change during LMK, and swapfile is almost full?

If not, please add that :-)

> 3. Swap in with or without the "-a" option to observe how fragments
> due to swap-in
> and the incoming swap-in of large folios will impact swap-out fallback.
>
> And many thanks to Chris for the suggestion on improving it within
> selftest, though I
> prefer to place it in tools/mm.

I am perfectly fine with that. Looking forward to your V2.

Chris