linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH 2/3] lib/Kconfig.debug: disable LOCK_DEBUGGING

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Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2024 12:37:39 -0700
From: Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@...il.com>
To: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@...nel.org>
Cc: Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@...el.com>,
	Alexander Potapenko <glider@...gle.com>, elver@...gle.com,
	dvyukov@...gle.com, dave.hansen@...ux.intel.com,
	peterz@...radead.org, akpm@...ux-foundation.org, x86@...nel.org,
	linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, kasan-dev@...glegroups.com,
	"Kirill A . Shutemov" <kirill.shutemov@...ux.intel.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@...hat.com>, Will Deacon <will@...nel.org>,
	Waiman Long <longman@...hat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/3] lib/Kconfig.debug: disable LOCK_DEBUGGING_SUPPORT
 under KMSAN

On Tue, Jun 25, 2024 at 12:06:52PM -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 25, 2024 at 11:51:23AM -0700, Boqun Feng wrote:
> > On Fri, Jun 21, 2024 at 09:23:25AM -0700, Dave Hansen wrote:
> > > On 6/21/24 02:49, Alexander Potapenko wrote:
> > > >  config LOCK_DEBUGGING_SUPPORT
> > > >  	bool
> > > > -	depends on TRACE_IRQFLAGS_SUPPORT && STACKTRACE_SUPPORT && LOCKDEP_SUPPORT
> > > > +	depends on TRACE_IRQFLAGS_SUPPORT && STACKTRACE_SUPPORT && LOCKDEP_SUPPORT && !KMSAN
> > > >  	default y
> > > 
> > > This kinda stinks.  Practically, it'll mean that anyone turning on KMSAN
> > > will accidentally turn off lockdep.  That's really nasty, especially for
> > > folks who are turning on debug options left and right to track down
> > > nasty bugs.
> > > 
> > > I'd *MUCH* rather hide KMSAN:
> > > 
> > > config KMSAN
> > >         bool "KMSAN: detector of uninitialized values use"
> > >         depends on HAVE_ARCH_KMSAN && HAVE_KMSAN_COMPILER
> > >         depends on DEBUG_KERNEL && !KASAN && !KCSAN
> > >         depends on !PREEMPT_RT
> > > +	depends on !LOCKDEP
> > > 
> > > Because, frankly, lockdep is way more important than KMSAN.
> > > 
> > > But ideally, we'd allow them to coexist somehow.  Have we even discussed
> > > the problem with the lockdep folks?  For instance, I'd much rather have
> > > a relaxed lockdep with no checking in pfn_valid() than no lockdep at all.
> > 
> > The only locks used in pfn_valid() are rcu_read_lock_sched(), right? If
> > so, could you try (don't tell Paul ;-)) replace rcu_read_lock_sched()
> > with preempt_disable() and rcu_read_unlock_sched() with
> > preempt_enable()? That would avoid calling into lockdep. If that works
> > for KMSAN, we can either have a special rcu_read_lock_sched() or call
> > lockdep_recursion_inc() in instrumented pfn_valid() to disable lockdep
> > temporarily.
> > 
> > [Cc Paul]
> 
> Don't tell me what?  ;-)
> 

Turn out that telling you is a good idea ;-)

> An alternative is to use rcu_read_lock_sched_notrace() and
> rcu_read_unlock_sched_notrace().  If you really want to use

Yes, I think this is better than what I proposed.

Regards,
Boqun

> preempt_disable() and preempt_enable() instead, you will likely want
> the _notrace() variants.
> 
> 							Thanx, Paul