linux-kernel - Re: [v5 PATCH] arm64: mm: force write fault for atomic RMW instructions

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Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2024 11:20:43 -0700
From: Yang Shi <yang@...amperecomputing.com>
To: Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@....com>,
 "Christoph Lameter (Ampere)" <cl@...two.org>
Cc: will@...nel.org, anshuman.khandual@....com, david@...hat.com,
 scott@...amperecomputing.com, linux-arm-kernel@...ts.infradead.org,
 linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [v5 PATCH] arm64: mm: force write fault for atomic RMW
 instructions



On 6/28/24 10:24 AM, Catalin Marinas wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 28, 2024 at 09:57:37AM -0700, Christoph Lameter (Ampere) wrote:
>> On Fri, 28 Jun 2024, Catalin Marinas wrote:
>>> On Wed, Jun 26, 2024 at 12:18:30PM -0700, Yang Shi wrote:
>>>> @@ -568,6 +596,12 @@ static int __kprobes do_page_fault(unsigned long far, unsigned long esr,
>>>>   	if (!vma)
>>>>   		goto lock_mmap;
>>>>
>>>> +	if ((vm_flags & VM_READ) && (vma->vm_flags & VM_WRITE) &&
>>>> +	    is_el0_atomic_instr(regs)) {
>>>> +		vm_flags = VM_WRITE;
>>>> +		mm_flags |= FAULT_FLAG_WRITE;
>>>> +	}
>>> The patch looks fine now and AFAICT there's no ABI change.
>>>
>>> However, before deciding whether to merge this patch, I'd like to
>>> understand why OpenJDK cannot use madvise(MADV_POPULATE_WRITE). This
>>> would be the portable (Linux) solution that works better on
>>> architectures without such atomic instructions (e.g. arm64 without LSE
>>> atomics). So fixing user-space would be my preferred solution.
>> Doing so would be requesting application code changes that are linux and
>> ARM64 specific from applications running on Linux.
> Linux-specific (e.g. madvise()), I agree, but arm64-specific definitely
> not. I'd argue that expecting the atomic_add(0) to only trigger a single
> write fault is arch specific. You can't do this on arm32 or arm64
> pre-LSE (I haven't checked other architectures).
>
> IIUC, OpenJDK added this feature about two years ago but the arm64
> behaviour hasn't changed in the meantime. So it's not like we broke the
> ABI and forcing user space to update.
>
> This patch does feel a bit like working around a non-optimal user choice
> in kernel space. Who knows, madvise() may even be quicker if you do a
> single call for a larger VA vs touching each page.

IMHO, I don't think so. I viewed this patch to solve or workaround some 
ISA inefficiency in kernel. Two faults are not necessary if we know we 
are definitely going to write the memory very soon, right?

>
>> A lot of these are proprietary.
> Are you aware of other (proprietary) software relying on such pattern to
> fault pages in as writeable?
>