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Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2024 09:13:42 +0200
From: Clément Léger <cleger@...osinc.com>
To: Charlie Jenkins <charlie@...osinc.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 4/8] RISC-V: Check Zicclsm to set unaligned access
 speed



On 03/07/2024 00:22, Charlie Jenkins wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 01, 2024 at 04:20:15PM +0200, Clément Léger wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 01/07/2024 15:58, Conor Dooley wrote:
>>> On Mon, Jul 01, 2024 at 09:15:09AM +0200, Clément Léger wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 27/06/2024 23:20, Charlie Jenkins wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, Jun 26, 2024 at 03:39:14PM +0100, Conor Dooley wrote:
>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 24, 2024 at 08:49:57PM -0400, Jesse Taube wrote:
>>>>>>> Check for Zicclsm before checking for unaligned access speed. This will
>>>>>>> greatly reduce the boot up time as finding the access speed is no longer
>>>>>>> necessary.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Signed-off-by: Jesse Taube <jesse@...osinc.com>
>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>> V2 -> V3:
>>>>>>>  - New patch split from previous patch
>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>>  arch/riscv/kernel/unaligned_access_speed.c | 26 ++++++++++++++--------
>>>>>>>  1 file changed, 17 insertions(+), 9 deletions(-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> diff --git a/arch/riscv/kernel/unaligned_access_speed.c b/arch/riscv/kernel/unaligned_access_speed.c
>>>>>>> index a9a6bcb02acf..329fd289b5c8 100644
>>>>>>> --- a/arch/riscv/kernel/unaligned_access_speed.c
>>>>>>> +++ b/arch/riscv/kernel/unaligned_access_speed.c
>>>>>>> @@ -259,23 +259,31 @@ static int check_unaligned_access_speed_all_cpus(void)
>>>>>>>  	kfree(bufs);
>>>>>>>  	return 0;
>>>>>>>  }
>>>>>>> +#else /* CONFIG_RISCV_PROBE_UNALIGNED_ACCESS */
>>>>>>> +static int check_unaligned_access_speed_all_cpus(void)
>>>>>>> +{
>>>>>>> +	return 0;
>>>>>>> +}
>>>>>>> +#endif
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>  static int check_unaligned_access_all_cpus(void)
>>>>>>>  {
>>>>>>> -	bool all_cpus_emulated = check_unaligned_access_emulated_all_cpus();
>>>>>>> +	bool all_cpus_emulated;
>>>>>>> +	int cpu;
>>>>>>> +
>>>>>>> +	if (riscv_has_extension_unlikely(RISCV_ISA_EXT_ZICCLSM)) {
>>>>>>> +		for_each_online_cpu(cpu) {
>>>>>>> +			per_cpu(misaligned_access_speed, cpu) = RISCV_HWPROBE_MISALIGNED_FAST;
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - const: zicclsm
>>>>>>   description:
>>>>>>     The standard Zicclsm extension for misaligned support for all regular
>>>>>>     load and store instructions (including scalar and vector) but not AMOs
>>>>>>     or other specialized forms of memory access. Defined in the
>>>>>>     RISC-V RVA Profiles Specification. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Doesn't, unfortunately, say anywhere there that they're actually fast :(
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh no! That is unfortunate that the ISA does not explicitly call that
>>>>> out, but I think that acceptable.
>>>>>
>>>>> If a vendor puts Zicclsm in their isa string, they should expect
>>>>> software to take advantage of misaligned accesses. FAST is our signal to
>>>>> tell software that they should emit misaligned accesses.
>>>>
>>>> AFAIK, Zicclsm is not even an ISA extension, simply a profile
>>>> specification which means that only the execution environment which
>>>> provides the profile support misaligned accesses (cf
>>>> https://lists.riscv.org/g/tech-profiles/message/56).
>>>
>>> I dunno, the specification status page used to describe it as an
>>> extension:
>>> https://wiki.riscv.org/display/HOME/Specification+Status+-+Historical
>>> My understanding was that these could be considered extensions, just
>>> like we are considering svade to be one.
>>>
>>>> . I don't think we
>>>> can extrapolate that the misaligned accesses will be fast at all.
>>>
>>> That is my opinion on it too. If it doesn't say "fast" and give a
>>> definition for what that means in the binding, then we can't assume that
>>> it is fast. I'm also wary of extending definitions of extensions in the
>>> binding, because a) I am 90% sure that people writing devicetrees don't
>>> care and b) it'd be a potential difference between DT and ACPI without a
>>> real justification (unlike the zkr or svade/svadu situations).
>>
>> BTW, the profile spec [1] has a note that states the following for Zicclsm:
>>
>> "Even though mandated, misaligned loads and stores might execute
>> extremely slowly. Standard software distributions should assume their
>> existence only for correctness, not for performance."
>>
>> Which was also quoted in patch 1, so I guess that settles it.
> 
> The intention here was to allow vendors to configure an option to skip
> the probing. This extension does not seem useful as it is written! A way
> around this would be to add a kernel arg to set the access speed but
> maybe it doesn't matter. For the sake of this patch, it looks like we
> should get rid of this Zicclsm check.

I think a parameter could be appropriate for vendors that want to skip
the probing and gain a bit of time on boot time. Other options already
exists to force specific settings so, why not !

Thanks,

Clément

> 
> - Charlie
> 
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Clément
>>
>> Link:
>> https://github.com/riscv/riscv-profiles/blob/main/src/profiles.adoc?plain=1#L524
>> [1]
>>
>>>
>>>>> This allows for a generic kernel, like the one a distro would compile, to
>>>>> skip the probing when booting on a system that explicitly called out
>>>>> that the hardware supports misaligned accesses.

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