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Message-ID: <ee1ae815b6e75021709612181a6a4415fda543a4.camel@HansenPartnership.com>
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2024 12:12:49 -0400
From: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@...senPartnership.com>
To: Roberto Sassu <roberto.sassu@...weicloud.com>, 
	Mickaël Salaün
	 <mic@...ikod.net>, Mimi Zohar <zohar@...ux.ibm.com>
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Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v19 0/5] Script execution control (was O_MAYEXEC)

On Tue, 2024-07-16 at 17:57 +0200, Roberto Sassu wrote:
> But the Clip OS 4 patch does not cover the redirection case:
> 
> # ./bash < /root/test.sh
> Hello World
> 
> Do you have a more recent patch for that?

How far down the rabbit hole do you want to go?  You can't forbid a
shell from executing commands from stdin because logging in then won't
work.  It may be possible to allow from a tty backed file and not from
a file backed one, but you still have the problem of the attacker
manually typing in the script.

The saving grace for this for shells is that they pretty much do
nothing on their own (unlike python) so you can still measure all the
executables they call out to, which provides reasonable safety.

James


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