linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH v2 3/3] rust: sync: Add SpinLockIrq

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Message-ID: <72f8304b-880f-440b-989b-ae763b60f071@proton.me>
Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2024 21:44:44 +0000
From: Benno Lossin <benno.lossin@...ton.me>
To: Lyude Paul <lyude@...hat.com>, rust-for-linux@...r.kernel.org
Cc: Danilo Krummrich <dakr@...hat.com>, airlied@...hat.com, Ingo Molnar <mingo@...hat.com>, Will Deacon <will@...nel.org>, Waiman Long <longman@...hat.com>, Peter Zijlstra <peterz@...radead.org>, Miguel Ojeda <ojeda@...nel.org>, Alex Gaynor <alex.gaynor@...il.com>, Wedson Almeida Filho <wedsonaf@...il.com>, Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@...il.com>, Gary Guo <gary@...yguo.net>, Björn Roy Baron <bjorn3_gh@...tonmail.com>, Andreas Hindborg <a.hindborg@...sung.com>, Alice Ryhl <aliceryhl@...gle.com>, Martin Rodriguez Reboredo <yakoyoku@...il.com>, Valentin Obst <kernel@...entinobst.de>, linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 3/3] rust: sync: Add SpinLockIrq

On 01.08.24 22:52, Lyude Paul wrote:
> On Thu, 2024-08-01 at 18:38 +0000, Benno Lossin wrote:
>> On 01.08.24 19:10, Lyude Paul wrote:
>>> On Thu, 2024-08-01 at 10:29 +0000, Benno Lossin wrote:
>>>> On 01.08.24 00:35, Lyude Paul wrote:
>>
>> Yes, but if you eg call some FFI function in the meantime it might
>> re-enable IRQs (or just a plain old bug in the Rust side). I don't know
>> how expensive this will be for debug builds, if it is too much, we could
>> try to introduce different levels of debugging.
>> But as you already said above, we don't need it for `SpinLockIrq`, since
>> lockdep should take care of that.
> 
> Just some small context here BTW - I suppose it is totally possible for FFI
> code to turn interrupts back on. It's worth noting I don't think I know of any
> C code that would ever do this though, primarily because unless you know for a
> fact that your caller has no locks held then your code is going to deadlock by
> doing that. Assuming you're on a single-processor system:

Agreed, such code would be obviously wrong, hence it would be nice to
catch it via debug statements.
Or are you saying that if someone were to write this code it would
always be caught?
I think that we should not underestimate the complexity of the system,
it might be the case that we only run into a deadlock under very strange
conditions, but having debug statements could help to catch the issue
early.

---
Cheers,
Benno

> CPU 0:
> 
> flags = spin_lock_irqsave(&foo);
> local_irq_restore(flags);
> 
> *** We get an interrupt and context-switch to the interrupt handler ***
> 
> spin_lock(&foo);
> 
> *** DEADLOCK ***
> 
> (Since &foo is already acquired, and interrupts are disabled on our only CPU -
> we'll never switch back to the original context to unlock &foo).
> 
>>
>> ---
>> Cheers,
>> Benno
>>
> 
> --
> Cheers,
>  Lyude Paul (she/her)
>  Software Engineer at Red Hat
> 
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