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Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2024 21:41:08 +0000
From: Benno Lossin <benno.lossin@...ton.me>
To: Lyude Paul <lyude@...hat.com>, Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@...il.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 1/3] rust: Introduce irq module

On 15.08.24 23:05, Lyude Paul wrote:
> On Thu, 2024-08-15 at 09:02 -0700, Boqun Feng wrote:
>> On Thu, Aug 15, 2024 at 06:40:28AM +0000, Benno Lossin wrote:
>> [...]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I haven't found a problem with `&IrqDisabled` as the closure parameter,
>>>>>>> but I may miss something.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We could also use `&'a IrqDisabled` instead of `IrqDisabled<'a>` (note
>>>>>> the first one doesn't have a lifetime). But there is no behavioral
>>>>>> difference between the two. Originally the intended API was to use `&'a
>>>>>> IrqDisabled<'a>` as the closure parameter and `IrqDisabled<'a>` in
>>>>>> functions that require irqs being disabled. As long as we decide on a
>>>>>> consistent type, I don't mind either (since then we can avoid
>>>>>> reborrowing).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So the key ask from me is: it looks like we are on the same page that
>>>>>>> when `cb` returns, the IRQ should be in the same disabled state as when
>>>>>>> it gets called. So how do we express this "requirement" then? Type
>>>>>>> sytem, comments, safety comments?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't think that expressing this in the type system makes sense, since
>>>>>> the type that we select (`&'a IrqDisabled` or `IrqDisabled<'a>`) will be
>>>>>> `Copy`. And thus you can just produce as many of those as you want.
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hmm.. on a second thought, `Copy` doesn't affect what I'm proposing
>>>> here, yes one could have as many `IrqDisabled<'a>` as one wants, but
>>>> making `cb` returns a `(IrqDisabled<'a>, T)` means the `cb` has to prove
>>>> at least one of the `IrqDisabled<'a>` exists, i.e. it must prove the irq
>>>> is still disabled, which the requirement of `with_irqs_disabled`, right?
>>>
>>> Yes, but that doesn't do anything. If the token is `Copy`, then we are
>>> not allowed to have the following API:
>>>
>>>     fn enable_irq(irq: IrqDisabled<'_>);
>>>
>>> Since if the token is `Copy`, you can just copy it, call the function
>>> and still return an `IrqDisabled<'a>` to satisfy the closure. It only
>>> adds verbosity IMO.
>>>
>>
>> OK, so I think I'm more clear on this, basically, we are all on the same
>> page that `cb` of `with_irqs_disabled()` should have the same irq
>> disable state before and after the call. And my proposal of putting this
>> into type system seems not worthwhile. However, I think that aligns with
>> something else I also want to propose: users should be allowed to change
>> the interrupt state inside `cb`, as long as 1) the state is recovered at
>> last and 2) not other soundness or invalid context issues. Basically, we
>> give the users as much freedom as possible.
>>
>> So two things I want to make it clear in the document of
>> `with_irqs_diabled()`:
>>
>> 1.	Users need to make sure the irq state remains the same when `cb`
>> 	returns.
>> 2.	It's up to the users whether the irq is entirely disabled inside
>> 	`cb`, but users have to do it correctly.
>>
>> Thoughts? Lyude, I think #2 is different than what you have in mind, but
>> we actually make have users for this. Thoughts?
>>
>> FYI the following is not uncommon in kernel:
>>
>> 	local_irq_save(flags);
>> 	while (todo) {
>> 		todo = do_sth();
>>
>> 		if (too_long) {
>> 			local_irq_restore(flags);
>> 			if (!irqs_disabled())
>> 				sleep();
>> 			local_irq_save(flags);
>> 		}
>> 	}
>> 	local_irq_restore(flags);
>>
>> (of course, usually it makes more sense with local_irq_disable() and
>> local_irq_enable() here).
> 
> The type system approach is slightly more complicated, but I'm now realizing
> it is probably the correct solution actually. Thanks for pointing that out!
> 
> So: Functions like wait_event_lock_interruptible_irq() work because they drop
> the spinlock in question before re-enabling interrupts, then re-disable

By dropping the spinlock, you mean dropping the guard of the spinlock?

> interrupts and re-acquire the lock before checking the condition. This is
> where a soundness issue with my current series lies.

We do have `Guard::do_unlocked`, but it'll be rather difficult to
integrate that there.

> For the sake of explanation, let's pretend we have an imaginary rust function
> "irqs_on_and_sleep(irq: IrqDisabled<'_>)" that re-enables IRQs explicitly,
> sleeps, then turns them back on. This leads to a soundness issue if we have
> IrqDisabled be `Copy`:
> 
> with_irqs_disabled(|irq| {
>   let some_guard = some_spinlockirq.lock_with(irq);
>   // ^ Let's call this type Guard<'1, …>
> 
>   irqs_on_and_sleep(irq);
>   // ^ because `irq` is just copied here, the lifetime '1 doesn't end here.
>   // Since we re-enabled interrupts while holding a SpinLockIrq, we would
>   // potentially deadlock here.
> 
>   some_function(some_guard.some_data);
> });
> 
> So - I'm thinking we might want to make it so that IrqDisabled does not have
> `Copy` - and that resources acquired with it should share the lifetime of an
> immutable reference to it. Let's now pretend `.lock_with()` takes an &'1
> IrqDisabled, and the irqs_on_and_sleep() function from before returns an
> IrqDisabled.
> 
> with_irqs_disabled(|irq| { // <- still passed by value here
>   let some_guard = some_spinlockirq.lock_with(&irq); // <- Guard<'1, …>
> 
>   let irq = irqs_on_and_sleep(irq); // The lifetime of '1 ends here
> 
>   some_function(some_guard.some_data);
>   // Success! ^ this fails to compile, as '1 no longer lives long enough
>   // for the guard to still be usable.
>   // Deadlock averted :)
> )}

I don't think this works, since one can just call `with_irqs_diabled`
twice:

    with_irqs_diabled(|irq1| {
        with_irqs_diabled(|irq2| {
            let some_guard = some_spinlockirq.lock_with(&irq1);

            let irq = irqs_on_and_sleep(irq2);

            some_function(some_guard.some_data);
        })
    })

---
Cheers,
Benno

> Then if we were to add bindings for things like
> wait_event_lock_interruptible_irq() - we could have those take both the
> IrqDisabled token and the Guard<'1, …> by value - and then return them
> afterwards. Which I believe would fix the soundness issue :)
> 
> How does that sound to everyone?
> 
>>
>> Regards,
>> Boqun
>>
>>>> Or you're saying there could exist an `IrqDisabled<'a>` but the
>>>> interrupts are enabled?
>>>
>>> No.
>>>
>>> ---
>>> Cheers,
>>> Benno
>>>
>>
> 
> --
> Cheers,
>  Lyude Paul (she/her)
>  Software Engineer at Red Hat
> 
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> 

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