linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH v3 1/3] rust: Introduce irq module

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Message-ID: <Zr9wECSD8KSMEIH-@boqun-archlinux>
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2024 08:28:16 -0700
From: Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@...il.com>
To: Lyude Paul <lyude@...hat.com>
Cc: Benno Lossin <benno.lossin@...ton.me>, rust-for-linux@...r.kernel.org,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 1/3] rust: Introduce irq module

On Thu, Aug 15, 2024 at 06:13:45PM -0400, Lyude Paul wrote:
> On Thu, 2024-08-15 at 21:46 +0000, Benno Lossin wrote:
> > I don't see the utility of this, if you already have an `IrqDisabled`,
> > then you don't need to call `with_irqs_disabled`. If you don't have one,
> > irqs still might be disabled, but you don't know.
> > 
> > > Granted - I have no idea how ergonomic something like this would be since on
> > > the C side of things: we don't really require that the user know the prior IRQ
> > > state for things like irqsave/irqrestore functions.
> > 
> > I think ergonomically, this is a bad idea, since it will infect a lot of
> > functions that don't care about IRQ.
> 
> Yeah, I figured that might be the case.
> 
> So - I'm starting to lean towards making `with_irqs_disabled` an unsafe
> function then where part of the safety contract is "The interrupt state must
> never be changed within the closure unless the user ensures it relinquishes
> access to the IrqDisabled token before doing so.". Would that work?

"... and restore the interrupt state back to when the closure is called,
i.e. disabled", we want the closure the recover the interrupt state
before it returns, right?

> 
> It would have been nice for this function to be safe, but I don't think that's
> too difficult of a safety contract to uphold (especially when we have things
> like lockdep that will tell us if we violate it anyway). Especially
> considering this is more or less the requirements that C code has to uphold
> already.
> 

Yes, most of the users could just use "# SAFTEY: Interrupt states never
changed".

In the future, we may be able to switch this back to safe function, if
we have klint covering the interrupt changing functions (and could infer
the interrupt state changes of a closure).

Regards,
Boqun

> -- 
> Cheers,
>  Lyude Paul (she/her)
>  Software Engineer at Red Hat
> 
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