linux-kernel - Re: [RFC PATCH v2 1/7] mm: pgtable: make pte_offset_map

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Message-ID: <ebb35909-1c12-48e0-8788-824c5f7f629e@redhat.com>
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2024 10:59:01 +0200
From: David Hildenbrand <david@...hat.com>
To: Qi Zheng <zhengqi.arch@...edance.com>
Cc: hughd@...gle.com, willy@...radead.org, mgorman@...e.de,
 muchun.song@...ux.dev, vbabka@...nel.org, akpm@...ux-foundation.org,
 zokeefe@...gle.com, rientjes@...gle.com, linux-mm@...ck.org,
 linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, the arch/x86 maintainers <x86@...nel.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v2 1/7] mm: pgtable: make pte_offset_map_nolock()
 return pmdval

On 12.08.24 08:21, Qi Zheng wrote:
> Hi David,
> 
> On 2024/8/10 00:54, David Hildenbrand wrote:
>> On 07.08.24 05:08, Qi Zheng wrote:
>>> Hi David,
>>>
>>> On 2024/8/6 22:16, David Hildenbrand wrote:
>>>> On 06.08.24 04:40, Qi Zheng wrote:
>>>>> Hi David,
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2024/8/5 22:43, David Hildenbrand wrote:
>>>>>> On 05.08.24 14:55, Qi Zheng wrote:
>>>>>>> Make pte_offset_map_nolock() return pmdval so that we can recheck the
>>>>>>> *pmd once the lock is taken. This is a preparation for freeing empty
>>>>>>> PTE pages, no functional changes are expected.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Skimming the patches, only patch #4 updates one of the callsites
>>>>>> (collapse_pte_mapped_thp).
>>>>>
>>>>> In addition, retract_page_tables() and reclaim_pgtables_pmd_entry()
>>>>> also used the pmdval returned by pte_offset_map_nolock().
>>>>
>>>> Right, and I am questioning if only touching these two is sufficient,
>>>> and how we can make it clearer when someone actually has to recheck the
>>>> PMD.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wouldn't we have to recheck if the PMD val changed in more cases after
>>>>>> taking the PTL?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If not, would it make sense to have a separate function that
>>>>>> returns the
>>>>>> pmdval and we won't have to update each and every callsite?
>>>>>
>>>>> pte_offset_map_nolock() had already obtained the pmdval previously,
>>>>> just
>>>>> hadn't returned it. And updating those callsite is simple, so I think
>>>>> there may not be a need to add a separate function.
>>>>
>>>> Let me ask this way: why is retract_page_tables() and
>>>> reclaim_pgtables_pmd_entry() different to the other ones, and how would
>>>> someone using pte_offset_map_nolock() know what's to do here?
>>>
>>> If we acuqire the PTL (PTE or PMD lock) after calling
>>> pte_offset_map_nolock(), it means we may be modifying the corresponding
>>> pte or pmd entry. In that case, we need to perform a pmd_same() check
>>> after holding the PTL, just like in pte_offset_map_lock(), to prevent
>>> the possibility of the PTE page being reclaimed at that time.
>>
>> Okay, what I thought.
>>
>>>
>>> If we call pte_offset_map_nolock() and do not need to acquire the PTL
>>> afterwards, it means we are only reading the PTE page. In this case, the
>>> rcu_read_lock() in pte_offset_map_nolock() will ensure that the PTE page
>>> cannot be reclaimed.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> IIUC, we must check the PMDVAL after taking the PTL in case
>>>>
>>>> (a) we want to modify the page table to turn pte_none() entries to
>>>>        !pte_none(). Because it could be that the page table was
>>>> removed and
>>>>        now is all pte_none()
>>>>
>>>> (b) we want to remove the page table ourselves and want to check if it
>>>>        has already been removed.
>>>>
>>>> Is that it?
>>>
>>> Yes.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> So my thinking is if another function variant can make that clearer.
>>>
>>> OK, how about naming it pte_offset_map_before_lock?
>>
>> That's the issue with some of the code: for example in
>> filemap_fault_recheck_pte_none() we'll call pte_offset_map_nolock() and
>> conditionally take the PTL. But we won't be modifying the pages tables.
>>
>> Maybe something like:
>>
>> pte_offset_map_readonly_nolock()
>>
>> and
>>
>> pte_offset_map_maywrite_nolock()
>>
>> The latter would require you to pass the PMD pointer such that you have
>> to really mess up to ignore what to do with it (check PMD same or not
>> check PMD same if you really know what you are douing).
>>
>> The first would not take a PMD pointer at all, because there is no need to.
> 
> These two function names LGTM. Will do in the next version.

That is probably something you can send as a separate patch independent 
of this full series.

Then we might also get more review+thoughts from other folks!

-- 
Cheers,

David / dhildenb