linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH rcu 0/11] Add light-weight readers for SRCU

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Message-ID: <0359b3a4-b6db-45d9-9957-b304b4a85865@paulmck-laptop>
Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2024 15:13:40 -0700
From: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@...nel.org>
To: Kent Overstreet <kent.overstreet@...ux.dev>
Cc: rcu@...r.kernel.org, linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, kernel-team@...a.com,
	rostedt@...dmis.org, Alexei Starovoitov <ast@...nel.org>,
	Andrii Nakryiko <andrii@...nel.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@...radead.org>, bpf@...r.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH rcu 0/11] Add light-weight readers for SRCU

On Tue, Sep 03, 2024 at 05:38:05PM -0400, Kent Overstreet wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 03, 2024 at 09:32:51AM GMT, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > Hello!
> > 
> > This series provides light-weight readers for SRCU.  This lightness
> > is selected by the caller by using the new srcu_read_lock_lite() and
> > srcu_read_unlock_lite() flavors instead of the usual srcu_read_lock() and
> > srcu_read_unlock() flavors.  Although this passes significant rcutorture
> > testing, this should still be considered to be experimental.
> 
> This avoids memory barriers, correct?

Yes, there are no smp_mb() invocations in either srcu_read_lock_lite()
or srcu_read_unlock_lite().  As usual, nothing comes for free, so the
overhead is moved to the update side, and amplified, in the guise of
the at least two calls to synchronize_rcu().

> > There are a few restrictions:  (1) If srcu_read_lock_lite() is called
> > on a given srcu_struct structure, then no other flavor may be used on
> > that srcu_struct structure, before, during, or after.  (2) The _lite()
> > readers may only be invoked from regions of code where RCU is watching
> > (as in those regions in which rcu_is_watching() returns true).  (3)
> > There is no auto-expediting for srcu_struct structures that have
> > been passed to _lite() readers.  (4) SRCU grace periods for _lite()
> > srcu_struct structures invoke synchronize_rcu() at least twice, thus
> > having longer latencies than their non-_lite() counterparts.  (5) Even
> > with synchronize_srcu_expedited(), the resulting SRCU grace period
> > will invoke synchronize_rcu() at least twice, as opposed to invoking
> > the IPI-happy synchronize_rcu_expedited() function.  (6)  Just as with
> > srcu_read_lock() and srcu_read_unlock(), the srcu_read_lock_lite() and
> > srcu_read_unlock_lite() functions may not (repeat, *not*) be invoked
> > from NMI handlers (that is what the _nmisafe() interface are for).
> > Although one could imagine readers that were both _lite() and _nmisafe(),
> > one might also imagine that the read-modify-write atomic operations that
> > are needed by any NMI-safe SRCU read marker would make this unhelpful
> > from a performance perspective.
> 
> So if I'm following, this should work fine for bcachefs, and be a nifty
> small perforance boost.

Glad you like it!

> Can I give you an account for my test cluster? If you'd like, we can
> convert bcachefs to it and point it at your branch.

Thank you, but I will pass on more accounts.  I have a fair amount of
hardware at my disposal.  ;-)

							Thanx, Paul