linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH v5 00/21] mm/zsmalloc: add zpdesc memory descriptor for zswap.zpool

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Message-ID: <CAJD7tkb113u0GWffvMJTJcWS+CqmvEAwwja+2nBivkS_s61tiA@mail.gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2024 13:21:36 -0700
From: Yosry Ahmed <yosryahmed@...gle.com>
To: Vishal Moola <vishal.moola@...il.com>
Cc: Alex Shi <seakeel@...il.com>, Sergey Senozhatsky <senozhatsky@...omium.org>, 
	Matthew Wilcox <willy@...radead.org>, Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>, alexs@...nel.org, 
	Vitaly Wool <vitaly.wool@...sulko.com>, Miaohe Lin <linmiaohe@...wei.com>, 
	linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, linux-mm@...ck.org, minchan@...nel.org, 
	david@...hat.com, 42.hyeyoo@...il.com, nphamcs@...il.com, 
	Dan Streetman <ddstreet@...e.org>, Seth Jennings <sjenning@...hat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 00/21] mm/zsmalloc: add zpdesc memory descriptor for zswap.zpool

On Wed, Sep 4, 2024 at 12:51 PM Vishal Moola <vishal.moola@...il.com> wrote:
>
> On Thu, Aug 29, 2024 at 05:42:06PM +0800, Alex Shi wrote:
> >
> >
> > On 8/28/24 7:19 AM, Vishal Moola wrote:
> > > On Wed, Aug 14, 2024 at 03:03:54PM +0900, Sergey Senozhatsky wrote:
> > >> On (24/08/08 04:37), Matthew Wilcox wrote:
> > >> [..]
> > >>>> So I guess if we have something
> > >>>>
> > >>>> struct zspage {
> > >>>>  ..
> > >>>>  struct zpdesc *first_desc;
> > >>>>  ..
> > >>>> }
> > >>>>
> > >>>> and we "chain" zpdesc-s to form a zspage, and make each of them point to
> > >>>> a corresponding struct page (memdesc -> *page), then it'll resemble current
> > >>>> zsmalloc and should work for everyone? I also assume for zspdesc-s zsmalloc
> > >>>> will need to maintain a dedicated kmem_cache?
> > >>>
> > >>> Right, we could do that.  Each memdesc has to be a multiple of 16 bytes,
> > >>> sp we'd be doing something like allocating 32 bytes for each page.
> > >>> Is there really 32 bytes of information that we want to store for
> > >>> each page?  Or could we store all of the information in (a somewhat
> > >>> larger) zspage?  Assuming we allocate 3 pages per zspage, if we allocate
> > >>> an extra 64 bytes in the zspage, we've saved 32 bytes per zspage.
> > >>
> > >> I certainly like (and appreciate) the approach that saves us
> > >> some bytes here and there.  zsmalloc page can consist of 1 to
> > >> up to CONFIG_ZSMALLOC_CHAIN_SIZE (max 16) physical pages.  I'm
> > >> trying to understand (in pseudo-C code) what does a "somewhat larger
> > >> zspage" mean.  A fixed size array (given that we know the max number
> > >> of physical pages) per-zspage?
> > >
> > > I haven't had the opportunity to respond until now as I was on vacation.
> > >
> > > With the current approach in a memdesc world, we would do the following:
> > >
> > > 1) kmem_cache_alloc() every single Zpdesc
> > > 2) Allocate a memdesc/page that points to its own Zpdesc
> > > 3) Access/Track Zpdescs directly
> > > 4) Use those Zpdescs to build a Zspage
> > >
> > > An alternative approach would move more metadata storage from a Zpdesc
> > > into a Zspage instead. That extreme would leave us with:
> > >
> > > 1) kmem_cache_alloc() once for a Zspage
> > > 2) Allocate a memdesc/page that points to the Zspage
> > > 3) Use the Zspage to access/track its own subpages (through some magic
> > > we would have to figure out)
> > > 4) Zpdescs are just Zspages (since all the information would be in a Zspage)
> > >
> > > IMO, we should introduce zpdescs first, then start to shift
> > > metadata from "struct zpdesc" into "struct zspage" until we no longer
> > > need "struct zpdesc". My big concern is whether or not this patchset works
> > > towards those goals. Will it make consolidating the metadata easier? And are
> > > these goals feasible (while maintaining the wins of zsmalloc)? Or should we
> > > aim to leave zsmalloc as it is currently implemented?
> >
> > Uh, correct me if I am wrong.
> >
> > IMHO, regarding what this patchset does, it abstracts the memory descriptor usage
> > for zswap/zram.
>
> Sorry, I misunderstood the patchset. I thought it was creating a
> descriptor specifically for zsmalloc, when it seems like this is supposed to
> be a generic descriptor for all zpool allocators. The code comments and commit
> subjects are misleading and should be changed to reflect that.
>
> I'm onboard for using zpdesc for zbud and z3fold as well (or we'd have to come
> up with some other plan for them as well). Once we have a plan all the
> maintainers agree on we can all be on our merry way :)
>
> The questions for all the zpool allocator maintainers are:
> 1) Does your allocator need the space its using in struct page (aka
> would it need a descriptor in a memdesc world)?
>
> 2) Is it feasible to store the information elsewhere (outside of struct
> page)? And how much effort would that code conversion be?
>
> Thoughts? Seth/Dan, Vitaly/Miahoe, and Sergey?

I would advise against spending effort on z3fold and zbud tbh, we want
to deprecate them.